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The selected topics will be the next day topic, best topic of the week will be selected by the numbers of engagements it attracts.
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@onealfa × @insight.pob will be rewarding the community members.
Daily
- top daily comments (judge by the quality of the post)minimum of 5 member, if there are more people we will increase the number of people.
weekly
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reward can be reviewed to add more winners as we are getting bigger.
if you are not in the the categories i personally will be voting accounts according to it engagements daily.
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REVIEW OF PREVIOUS POB STREET by @insight.pob TOPICS written by @iyiade
I started to notice the 10% beneficiary recently, I've been here for almost four months and I'm sure it's been there all along.
If there's a reason behind this I don't think we're in the best position to answer this question. I'm clueless. But notwithstanding that I don't think the 10% has in anyway affected me or my drive in this Community. I'll see it as a necessity, a need that has to be met.
It should be for the development of the community, if not then there should be questions raised.
Am I satisfied with this?
I'm not dissatisfied as it does not affect me in any way. But it'll be a lot more satisfying if we actually know what it's being used for, better transparency makes a good system. I'm in for the community development, the people that make up the Pob are wonderful, they give me reasons to continue being here. So I'm willing to stick around for as long as possible.
@proofofbrainio needs to understand that there is a need to consitently give updates about whatever his plans are for the POB as a whole,that will make people understand your plans and what is going on and what to expect.....
Oh yes, there definitely needs to be improvement in that area.
Yeah sure....infact i think that is one of the major things that urgently needs to be worked on..
He has been looking and observing the community and I think he doesn't like talking and that's how he is.
I hope he notice our want of updating the proofofbrain plan to the community
It's not supposed to go to the proofofbrain personal account but should go to the community account @pob-fund that won't be used to curate but stored for pob development
Today I got some doubts, and could not find the answer in my quick search.
So let me ask here, perhaps somebody is sure how it all works, and can answer me right away.
Which part that beneficiary 10% cuts off, from the TOTAL amount of rewards (before splitting them 50:50), or only from the author's part?
In other words, which is the case, ver1 or ver2 :
In my eyes, ver.2 would be moRE logical and justified.
Why?
Because ONLY author have CERTAIN powers to change, or/and choose, what beneficiaries will be, and how large the % will be.
Curators do NOT have such possibility, they can only curate "what it is", or as ALTERNATIVE, ONLY SKIP AWAY WITHOUT DOING ANY UPVOTING.
Second part of this question - is the formula in use ALL the same for both POB and HIVE?
If not - how this "CUT-OFF" works on HIVE rewards?
Beneficiaries only affect author side of rewards.
A recent hard fork changed how beneficiaries are handled. In the past it would only affect liquid rewards. This was changed to affect all Hive rewards paying beneficiaries in the same form the author receives it. If you do 100% power up, then they get a portion of that all powered up. If 50/50 they get a portion powered up and a portion liquid.
To answer your question it would be version 2.
I went more in depth here.
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@themarkymark/re-scholaris-pob-5bwygh
I don't really know how this works, but i would like @scholaris.pob @leprechaun @calumam should give their take on this. some of us are not using the proofofbrain frontend due to this 10% to pob, i would like this issue to be ironed out.
and there should be a post and update about it.
can this beneficiary be changed to @pob-fund?.
Man. I must have tried writing a response now three times. I can respond to your questions, but I don't think I have the knowledge to give you a concrete answer about how this stuff works right now.
@trostparadox, @calumam, @proofofbrainio would you guys mind responding? Your knowledge is definitely better than mine on the topic of beneficiaries.
However, someone we know is currently having an AMA session. I have addressed your questions there because he pretty much knows everything Hive-related. At least, I think he does.
Here's a link to his post: Ask Me Anything - Marky Edition - November 2021
Here are the questions I asked him:
I cannot definitively answer those questions, but my understanding is as follows:
I believe so. I am pretty sure beneficiaries get their set percentage of ALL tokens, e.g. Hive-related plus Hive-Engine tokens.
I believe it takes only the author's rewards. Curators get their full rewards regardless of how the beneficiaries are set.
In this instance, I believe the front-end would be adding a tribe-specific account to the beneficiary list for the post -- the beneficiary list is a Layer 1 feature. If that is what's happening, then the beneficiary would receive a portion of ALL tokens earned by the post, not just the ones associated with the front-end.
With all that said, I believe there is a Hive-Engine token config setting that enables setting up a beneficiary account that ONLY receives those specific H-E tokens.
So, if it is done via the front-end, it would apply to ALL tokens. If it is done via the H-E token config, then it would only apply to that specific Hive-Engine token.
@themarkymark, did I get the above correct?
Mostly yes. I went in depth answering these three questions here.
There are to facilities to be aware of. Hive beneficiary and Scotbot beneficiaries.
Hive beneficiaries are a blockchain level function and will split all tokens. It is used for Hive tokens but tribes will respect this setting. This can only be set by whatever tool you use to post. If you post on PeakD then PoB cannot enforce a Hive level beneficiary.
Scotbot beneficiaries will affect a single Hive Engine token regardless of where you post from. Scotbot beneficiary can be enforced regardless of which tool you use to post with.
In the case of POB which I talk about in my response linked above, the front end is enforcing a Hive beneficiary that takes 10% of all tokens. This in most cases higher than not using the front end and taking the 20% pob only beneficiary.
So, another question then is, what are we to do? How does this benefit the community if by using the POB frontend authors lose more money than if they don't.
Can the POB platform be set to be like this --> every user who only uses the #proofofbrain tag without using the proofofbrain frontend every time they earn POB there will be a 10% beneficiary split for @proofofbrain or @pob-fund accounts. But if they use the proofofbrain frontend when they earn POB there will be no 10% beneficiary split for @proofofbrain or @pob-fund accounts. This will make people will use the proofofbrain frontend xD
This is something have thought about too of recent,I noticed that thier are beneficiary on every rewards I get too,but to me I did not see it as a bad thing, cause I want to believe this is part of the way of giving back to the community too.
So to me am sincerely fine by with it too,apart from the fact that we have to stake whatever we earn just as I am doing,the 10% beneficiary fee too is not bad at all boss.
Aside that don't know maybe see my suggestion as regards what I dropped as topic too.
Have a blessed day boss
The 10% is for community and development. I am satisfied with this.
OK, nice.
Then I have a few questions for you (and everyone else on this tribe):
Hey @onealfa, long time no speak.
It has to be in the tens of thousands now. It would also be good to calculate the generated POB from @proofofbrainio votes since the 10% beneficiaries have been powered up to the account to then help spread the token distribution (successfully? well we both know that spreading tokens within the DPoS model is hugely flawed, so defining success is highly subjective). POB started with 1 token at the very beginning and due to the flawed nature of the DPoS model, the @proofofbrainio account has always been running a losing race in terms of "completely authentic token distribution while utilising the PoB/DPoS mechanics". I'd say they've done a good job overall, even if the task was a losing battle to begin with.
There were funds transferrred for the ecency POB front-end development (@leprechaun can provide some accuracy on this, or we can check: https://he.dtools.dev/@pob-fund?symbol=POB for transaction & memo details from the @pob-fund account). If we look at this in a more abstract view, the 10% beneficiary has been used for community development, just not in the sense that technical development has been the main focus. There was a back and forth between POB and the community on Discord (not an ideal method of communication, but it's still written for all to see) where he stated that @proofofbrainio and @pob-fund aren't used for personal gain. (Link to my comment in this thread with screenshots: link)
It was for a while, then it was reverted back (mentioned in the above comment thread screenshots) so that the @proofofbrainio account could retain its stakesize for assistance with token distribution, as well as tackling abuse (you know better than most how important it is to have a sizeable token stake in this game).
To fund development, it was initially created back in April when @madstacks came up with the idea (including pob-fund friday), link to the post here. For a long time, the community was sending funds to @pob-fund via beneficiaries (not sure if it's still happening). With 18K POB generated, I'd say it was pretty successful. It's nice to know that all those POB's were backed by the community in a definite manner. Hopefully these tokens can be used to fund the upcoming upgrades to the platform. Little bit of Proof Of Brain to fuel the Proof Of Brain.
Hope this helps.
Yes, this was voted and the ecency like proofofbrain site is here. It turns out Ecency has closed source components, which cannot be accessed and instead need to be recreated. It also uses services which are not part of the project. @good-karma the creator of ecency has given me permission to use the ecency image servers so people can use images in their posts. A search backend relay server has been written and added by myself to enable searches. Ecency must have something like it for things to work. It has a fully featured Hive Wallet and POB wallet builtin.
Our private API parts related to Pointing system is semi-closed but everything else should work just fine. If you guys need guide on some component that's essential and missing from codebase, do let us know 😉 New update coming out with Engine wallet support, so expect more ease integrations.
Come to think of it. You might say the private-api source code is rather missing...
The 10% beneficiary to proofofbrainio private account is not right for a decentralized system like this and that's one of the reason why am afraid to invest largely in pob. How would some people keep buying pob and creating content and earn pob through Curation and a private account would receive 10% of all.
So that means he will own over 2.1 million pob out of the total supply without doing anything.
My suggestion is that people would misunderstand this so this 10% benefiary should not be for private account. If I invest $20,000 in pob so proofofbrainio would own $2,000. Let the 10% beneficiary be sent to another account @pob-fund.
Am not against the 10% beneficiary but am not satisfied with it sent to proofofbrainio account
This is one of the biggest question of the moment,but have gone through what @calcumam and others too gives as an update on this discussion,but honestly I still felt like something is still hiding on this.
I stand to be corrected as am open for learning,aside that don't know maybe I can say that here boss,but let me quickly say that I noticed an unvote on my comments and post from you.
Just want to be sure it is from you or system error.
That's real. The dead are walking.
I'd have to say others here have answered and I would like to see Brainio come up with an answer in a post that isn't be downvoted.
The reason is that there is no difference between proofofbrain account and pob-fund because both of them does not have privacy and every transaction can be monitored
Huh, I don't know. That is a very good question. I will start digging in to it next week.
Not satisfied with the 10% beneficiary because he it's not enough to maintain proofofbrain community.
It should be increased to increase pob scarcity and more funds
That is an interesting point. I don't pay the electric bill around here but I would really like to see some remodeling.
if it is for the development of the community it should be allocated to another account not a personal account.
we have pob-fund and we are planning on decentralised token fund so this is enough.
if it will be for the development i think the beneficiary should be changed to pob-fund. or what do you think
I think that these beneficiary should be used for community development. I think we are all in the same boat and would like to see the beneficiary money spent on POB. I'm not sure but it seems like that requires some consensus.
If you say so then there's no reason to worry, Community development is a necessity.
How do you know this ?
Do you have any proofs it goes this way ???
Have been wondering too,even though me as a person thinks is part of what it is been used to run the maintenance of the community in my own view.
But I stand to be corrected and enlightened on what the 10% is been used for and I wish @mineopoly too can come out to help with prove on that base on his comment
Glad to see @onealfa.pob too here.
Best regards sir.
Indeed. Where is the transparency?
It would be nice to see some regular updates about the development or even better; a road map (or is there a road map I missed?)
One roadmap was published, but due to IRL stuff and lack of communications I haven't written another one. I am due to write another one now that POBio discussed his plans with the new 2.0 outpost for our frontend.
I have included a link to our first roadmap below:
VAST Proof of Brain
Thanks for sharing. What is your role in this community actually. I see your name popping up everywhere in discussions, the Discord and now again the first roadmap. Why do you make a road map if you are not the owner.
Or is @proofofbrainio your alter ego?
My role is that I'm a community member. I curate and check articles for abuse. I started out volunteering. I volunteered to do the first roadmap. Project Management is part of my education.
I'm not proofofbrain, but I like this place. I don't know that there are official community roles here.
Regular?
Sounds rather pathetic, when we can get tribe leader (?) to show up only once every five month. 🙂
True....
With this response I'm wondering why you keep investing in this token.
You must still believe in the token which also means you believe in the community, or am I wrong about that?
But this is a whole other discussion 🙂
How ppl say about politicians and banksters ? (and no, I am not one of them)
Look what they DO, not what they SAY.
Yes, I still believe in this tribe. As much as I believe that my patience can be far bigger then any of my rivals.
I'm hodler. And I'm ready to HODL (and accumulate) POB as long as it takes.
2, 3, 5 years. 8-9 years, if it takes. 10, 15+ years.
I can be even silenced (muted) on this centralized tribe.
But nobody has force to take away my tokens. NOBODY.
And this is the problem I have with the community admin proofofbrainio himself.
He is not well socialized and he doesn't respond to anything going on here to know his mind.
No matter the kind of development the 10% beneficiary is used for, it's we don't go to proofofbrain personal account but to another developing account because he also used his personal to curate which is not supposed to be so but the 10% pob must be stored
I documented the public Discord conversation (which was in the #general channel of the POB discord server) here shortly after it occurred, but below are the Discord screenshots:
There is no problem with the 10% beneficiary and I even support increase of the beneficiary but the problem is that it's going to proofofbrain account and he use it to upvote content. It's should not be so.
Although for the first time I saw it and I was how come about the 10%,also one thought came up to me that is it the 10% wil be remove for the very day reward or will be remove for the whole reward of pob in total?
If any of us can share more light on that I think it wl go a long way.to be is Also awesome and am good to go with that so far is for the betterment and progress of the community.
did you drop a topic?
Yes I did,you can check yesterday engagement again boss
when suggesting topic add #topic for recognition. thanks
The question is irrelevant if you don’t ask what other tribe owners charge and compare. POB announce in a recent article that he changed the beneficiary charges. I recommend reviewing the article. It will be easy to find as he doesn’t post often.
However, I think the charges have always been in effect. We just didn’t see them. We started seeing the beneficiary when he raised charges on use of the tags in non POB front ends.
Try checking some of his articles earlier this year. He initially mentioned there was a low flat tax on the use of the POB tags when he set things up. The purpose though is development. We’re moving to a new front end. That costs money in setup and maintenance.
i think the funds should go to @pob-fund . if we really want the project to decentralised.
There were talks about incorporating a multi-sig approach for the @pob-fund account and introducing a governance system like Archon has for introducing proposals and making tribe-wide changes (this has a multitude of problems which were further discussed in this post).
if the decentralised token fund DTF pool is created again, we will have 3 account for development of the community, instead we should have one or two at maximum, the 10% is not bad, i support it but i think it should be to a decentralised account.
The decentralized fund token for the development of pob community should not have been to a curating account but to a separate account and that's The mistake that proofofbrainio made. If he didn't use the proofofbrainio account to curate,then it's okay 4 me
I am NOT !
100.00% Not
Upvoted. Rebloged. Promoted.
probably good for development, although I will definitely think about posting from the pob frontend now
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The reason for the 10 beneficiary is for the development of the community and proofofbrain has been observing all what is going on in the community and working on it.so he will build new proofofbrain frontend
That is new for me...
I use peakd just cause i like the dark mode interface... Can't get used to leo and pob.
10% is a lot
i would like you to be frequent here i pobstreet there are lot more to be discussed
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You just got my DOWNVOTE on this comment.
Reason?
A complete, 100% off-topic.
;)
Thanks so much for the down vote,from what you just did show that you are devil 😈😈 worshiper, because I see no reason for you to do that.if a community did not start with prayer so how far and how long do you want the community to progress,please @ onealfa I want you to Rethink if the faculty of such I still exiting in you and also check all through if my second comments is off the topic.thanks
even more than 100% and he is fond of doing that