Proving a point...
Why?
Part ONE came from the perspective of analyzing this question in consideration of one's motivations - discerning whether we're genuine with intentions of service, or merely fuelling our own ego in attempts to assert our own righteousness.
Herein, we explore the flip side...
First, the distinction:
Have we removed ourselves from the equation - detaching from the matter, with no personal investment, coming from a place of service?
If so... why prove a point?
To educate.
To upgrade.
To eliminate misunderstanding through clarification.
To instill consciousness where only confusion previously existed.
To transform ignorance through the introduction of perspective essential for a complete awareness.
Perhaps...
To set boundaries.
To correct another where they've been mistaken, for both their benefit and those around them.
To contribute to others' evolutionary advancement through drawing attention to details which broaden understanding through a more-holistic perspective enabling better-informed thinking, decisions, and actions.
To establish a more complete and accurate map of the territory from which we are able to function more effectively and harmoniously within our environments and with those we share the journey with.
Perhaps...
To set an example. Not that we are right. But of what right is.
To teach.
To guide.
To mentor.
To pay forward lessons, such that they may shorten others' learning curves.
Proving a point.
From ego. Or from service.
From self-righteousness. Or from selflessness.
The distinction: intention.
The difference in outcome: worlds.
Still have a point to prove...? :-)
I enjoyed the duality of these two posts, as it raises the question of what a person's reasoning that leads to proving. Unironically I feel that this piece proved something amazing.
It's not what you do, but why that matters.
There is a negative association with; "having to prove" to others. I don't know much, but I love trying to prove to myself rather than others. I feel that most learning takes place when we prove ourselves wrong.
A part of me believes that if I can prove myself to me, then the point can and will be made at some point futher down without forcing yourself or others c:
The world of thoughts is an interesting place.
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Great write up - always a difficult task to exchange a teaching/learning moment as sharing right ideas instead of the want to feed our ego at that time. It's awesome when we cross paths with folks that are on the level.
Conversations move quickly and progress towards a better ideal comes much quicker.
Thanks for sharing, as always
I am not.
We are.
What I want is not us.
Serve and you will be served.
Nearly 100% of the time you will never convince anyone they are wrong be imposing your opinions.
Instead you should embrace their point of view...because maybe it is you that is wrong.
Or maybe there is no right and wrong. There only is what is. Now.
With the intention to compassionately guide, the way you'd approach someone is completely different than part 1, there wouldn't be any forcing of our beliefs. It seems to me even intention wouldn't necessitate any true change from the other person. They'd still need to be open to another perspective or put in a position where they need to find the answers themselves.
People don't understand or accept new answers until they prove it to themselves. Knowledge is not wisdom, words aren't experiences. THat's why I see most good teachers asking questions or pointing in directions and asking the other person to see what they find for themselves.
At least that's how I've changed my mind about things, rarely can someone just tell me something and I believe them at face value. I might trust them enough to test it for myself, to explore the viewpoint and see what I think. Maybe I just haven't run into someone who I think has true wisdom, who I can feel is genuine and truly knows.
i'm going to follow you because i love your response! I definitely agree and think that there is art to conversation and spreading ideas - or proving a concept to someone... and before you know how open the person is, tread carefully, or they might shut the door locked before you even have the chance to come in.
Ya, the art of conversation isn't really talked about! Thanks for the follow, I'll check your blog out!
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To pay forward lessons, such that they may shorten others' learning curves.
I like to think that this is what I am striving for. I like to think that it doesn't matter what others think. And to a great extent, it is true. However, the underlying desire for approval is so deeply ingrained in my family tapestry, that it may take generations to weave its way out.
Acknowledging this doesn't make me a pessimist. On the contrary, an optimist see opportunity for growth and above all else I long to grow, to learn, to truly know myself well enough that I don't question my true intentions anymore.
Thank you for that little gem. I love how sometimes just one line can inspire an entire introspective monologue.
Exactly. Unconditional Love means Acceptance and Acceptance creates Harmony. We all have free choice of expression. Proving a point implies levels, differences and comparison. " Is this true or that?" You decide: will I develop my own sense of Truth and create accordingly or will I latch onto others' Truth and create accordingly? Both ways are equally valid, yet the former is going the path of Self-responsibility while the latter will embark on the path of victimhood, eventually entailing blaming others for our misery, " I didn't want that in the first place". Thanks for your great reminder!:)
We prove a point for so many reasons, and to add to the list at times for ego sake, for the fact that people at times tries to prove a point to justify that they are more than what people deem them to be
Proving a point just to shorten other people's learning curves can boost the community as a whole in my opinion.. allowing people to jump ahead and spend time learning from the proven point as a starting point.
I'm actually glad i read the first part first, and didn't stumble on this one first.... cause i would nod in a silent approval, and that would be it. ;)
I definitely lean more towards sharing information (proving points), rather than keeping it to myself, because i also demand the same from others.
People often defend their ideas as if they are part of their identity and well-being (and to some extent it is true in their perception). But ideas need to be challenged or they (and we) can't evolve - they adapt to the friendly environment of a complacent mind and thrive while simultaneously stagnating.
But you know what, your words, or something of the same vein, should be presented before making any attempt to change someone's mind, because it is often the attitude we bring to the table that gets rejected not the knowledge. So i think it is really important to educate ourselves on how to educate others.
Generally, people cannot be convinced against what they already believe. If the intention is to influence, teach and mentor, then we must be willing to let people experience what we want them to understand through our own actions. Attempts to hasten the process may meet stiff opposition from the people we are trying to teach. And who knows what is right? We do not have the ability to see the complicated relationship between events and the result that it would eventually yield in the future. Who know? The student may turn out to be right.
Insightful and thought-provoking. Thanks.
before reading this post I have taken the time to read your first post so that my understanding is not wrong. Much of your writing has motivated us, and this time I try to unite myself for your understanding. I agree on what you have analyzed. Right, and just justify your sentence in this post. Why? because we have gained many things through mentors. for me coaching, consultancy, training, mentoring is a very important thing for us to grow flowers. Especially on this platform we really need them, and we are always trying to do it every month with the mentors to improve our knowledge, and here is one of us, maybe you can take the time to go to my blog, thank you for your response, good luck !!! 👏👍🙏
A point can also be proven by eliminating ignorance through education. Many persons have lost focus in life because of ignorance.
Good luck master
again thank to you for
sharing a good motivative post
that was very good
i apprise with you
good post @rok-sivante I like it and I will always follow you for the next posting
Thank you @rok-sivante for impressive post.
Education is important and so as sharing the knowledge. Helping other with our own knowledge and experince for the betterment is a boon.... Welcome back @rok-sivante sir👍
When I Need A Mentor, mentor is everything for us. change will happen after we find a mentor who really takes care of us.
and then - as someone had wonderfully commented on the first part - kicks your ass out the door when the mentorship has run its course. lol. :-)
Haha, he is watching you. 😄♨ lol.!
When having a discussion, I think what's much more important than the egos involved is the actual truth. Both sides of the conversation should put in effort to concentrate on the truth and the actual arguments instead of their own egos.
Strongly agree with what you have written in this post. we must know each person's personal attitude because not everyone is the same. Hair may be black, but the thinking is different. we have to analyze and know more deeply in someone so that we can motivate them.
Very good if we give to others who need more.
most of our agrab friends are just pushing it, but in a small heart when we start it there comes a sense of carelessness,
I have experience about this steemet, initially I do not respond if the steemet is able to overcome our financial problems, if we seriously respond and deepen, thanks to the direction of the friend then I register and that's where my question is no longer d gubris or in responsedikarnakan i have started to operate steemet ...either because he's afraid I'll be my rival I do not know ...
thank you..
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Amazing my friend
This is amazing...am glad I learnt from it.
In my personal understanding we can make the point more expansion if we free ourselves from the old ideas and thoughts. and make a revolution in ourseleves if want as a result the evolution . and free the ego from the other .
great philosophy then in the future i will write a topic about energy sources.
This is very helpful...upvoted and resteemed...need to let everyone know what a beautiful post is.