Yes you are 100% right, I should be allowed to come to your post leave comments with pictures of x sucking x and pictures of dead bodies, videos of people hanging themselves, be allowed to call you all kinds of names accuse you of the most heinous crimes, and you should have absolutely no right to tell me what I can post on your post. There are really NO legitimate justification for you to complain about me or anyone else who feels like calling you an idiotic moron or anything like that.
I have no clue if you are serious about wanting the flag to go away, my comment was not serious it was a response to show what could happen without the flag.
The thing about that is I can report violation of the law to law enforcement. I can provide the evidence for a legal case. The person that posts illegal material takes the risk of arrest and conviction for their crime. The flag puts law enforcement in the hands of the unqualified. troll, malcontents or team flaggers. Your concerns have no merit. If it happens to you IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to inform LAW ENFORCEMENT! If it is less than a violation of the law you can deal with it by applying the truth. And therein is the opportunity for the truth to rise to the top. If a member shows his backside will he get many upvotes? Unless you upvote them.
Okay cherry pick time. In a trial by jury, all 12 members are unqualified to make a judgement call as they are not law enforcement personnel. If the only people that are qualified to make a judgement call are law enforcement So we should do away with trial by jury?
If you see a crime taking place IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY as a human to aid the person being injured, and then inform LAW ENFORCEMENT! If you can do something and then abdicate the responsibility of doing something to someone else because it is not your job, then you become part of the problem.
last cherry pick: So some guy in Iraq, steals an image you posted and is using it to make a shit load of money. What Law Enforcement are you going to call? What Legal system are you going to use?
The down vote flag is a needed and necessary part of steemit, there are groups and people that help when it is abused.
So hell with the law?...just put law enforcement in the hands of trolls, spammers, team flaggers and the very people who ARE the miscreants. What could go wrong? An abuse alert with no power to steal might be a good option. I am not sure which law enforcement you call for this. That is an excellent question. My point is that it is not our job to be cops. Law enforcement is something the administrators need to address. Why not have a button that alerts the administrators to a problem.
On Steemit there is no fair hearing, no redress of grievance, no violations of guidelines to cite, no judicial oversight, no due process whatsoever. Steemit is mob rule by would be tyrants, trolls, racists, malcontents and miscreants. I don't think that the flag is an appropriate solution to a law enforcement problem.
Heard that a lot. usually when someone has died, "it wasn't my job or responsibility." It is our job to take action when action is called for and to not rely on some magical outside force to take care of problems. Your house is on fire you call the fire department, you die in the fire because you were waiting for them to put it out. You are in a convenience store, you see the store being robbed, you do not call the cops instead you leave because it was not your job. I don't think we will even come close to a middle ground.
Steemit is controlled by the people. There are groups/individuals that do redress grievances. Read the FAQ's. There are very very few rules on steemit. One of the rules is NO PLAGIARISM.
It is pretty obvious that you are not going to see that there really is no need for the downvote. So I guess we call the debate done. I believe it is needed, and you believe it is not. I believe a person's vote is theirs to do with as they please, buy, sell,up or down vote.
I hope you enjoy your time here, and if not you can go to facebook where they protect you from the trolls, and protect your right to free speech, where they know what law enforcement to call when you violate their policy. No such thing as shadow banning, or censorship at all on that platform, but it is heavily policed so you will at least be protected there.
Like I said above neither of us is going to convince or be able to show the other side how we see it.
Abusers will not take down the platform. Censorship will.
A down vote is not censorship. It is someone voicing their opinion, exercising their right to say I disagree. All down votes can be countered with upvotes. All greyed out material can with in the 7 days of post issuance can be reversed. After 7 days, it is the voice of the people/person that stood. The opinion that mattered. Not the opinion of the person that is screaming censorship. Because if others agreed they could easily get together their own little group and vote it back to visibility.
That being said, a down vote should not be used for a difference of opinion. The people that use them in that manner are the ones that can not accept that someone sees the world different than they do.
It is censorship by any other name.
And with article having a shelf-life of about 30 seconds, it would be difficult to rally for a defense.
What about your right to face your accuser? Where is any due process?
make a post call them out, ignore them move on with life. Life is hard. There are assholes. No post is removed from steemit. Can you say the same for any other social media program out there? If you are so concerned about this invisible censorship on steemit, play in facebook.
I would like to say this has been fun, but it has not, so I think I am done on this topic thread for now.
Like I said in a previous comment, neither of us are going to be able to see the other person's viewpoint. I have and do look at almost every greyed out post I see. So I do not see censorship.
Enjoy your day.
Thank you very much for your input. I value the discussion we have had. I wish you all the best and great success on Steemit. Blessings!