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RE: HF20 Update: Operations Stable

in #steem6 years ago

I'm glad to hear of the commitment to collaborating with the community in charting the forward trajectory of steemit. Even more so, I'm glad to hear of STINC prioritizing the ability of new users to function adequately on the platform to possibly have a positive enough initial experience to even think of buying STEEM to invest more than just time, assuming they have the funds to have the choice. My greatest concern was that one way or the other, very few new users would wind up staying long enough to see the true value of this place.

I'm still trying to understand what happens when someone just lands on the Steemit website and signs his/herself up.

How many SP do they get?

How many RCs do they get? (in terms of what they can do with it, such as x daily comments)

Where is the "money" coming from to secure this for them?

Are they automatically getting accounts now, or do they still wait 3-14 days for manual vetting?

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i share the same concerns. at least i'm kinda glad people are coming back after a few days of lockout (very slowly..)

when @steemitblog says we now have an 'acceptable level', it looks like they wanna hide the facts, or oversell themselves. why not just make it clear? 15sp = how many posts and votes per day? resource costs will be dynamic, so maybe give an estimated range? who defines this 'acceptable level' in the first place? why not say something like 'we think x comments and x posts per day for a new account is the acceptable level'? are they afraid of admitting the fact that steemit inc wants to define everything instead of trying to come up with free market solutions?

Ensuring that low SP users can transact as much as possible is our #1 priority and we will continue to work with the witnesses to optimize the system to that end.

why not just tell us what they mean by low sp? to ned 100,000sp is low as fuck. to me, 15sp is low and 100sp is high, and 100 comments, 20 posts per day is the minimum acceptable level for a new account with 0 investments. why not just give us ned's honest thoughts and let the community start talking about what the right numbers are?

It really is confusing to have a discussion around subjective ideas like "transact as much as possible." It can't be literal, obviously, so how much is it?

We can have a fruitful community discussion about how much is enough. But first we have to know where we're starting. Are things okay now without needing to adjust that further? If not, we can't expect to hear it from the ones who can't post LOL.

I don't think they have any real idea of how much SP / RC is necessary to be functional, hence the comments such as "transact as much as possible." The deployment demonstrates quite clearly that the developers did little or no testing before it went live. The live network is now going to be used as a guinea pig to run tests on as they tweak it into shape. Thus I would surmise, more unintended consequences are possible.

Thus I would surmise, more unintended consequences virtually guaranteed

I believe this would be an accurate edit. ;)

yes let the community decide how much is enough. at least be transparent and listen. don't be a dictator.

'as much as possible' could be anywhere in between 1 sextillion and 5.

yes, it's nothing more than a bunch of questions. i just wanna know what ned thinks is the optimal amount of posts and comments for a new user with 0 investments.

  1. New users get 0 SP. They get RC equivalent of 3 SP as "free" RCs so the are able to use the blockchain. They also get delegated 15 SP from Steemit (which is Steemit's current practice but could change at any time).
  2. With 0 SP you can make about 3 comments every 5 days. With 18 SP worth of RC (above 3 SP + 15 SP) you can make about 30 short-to-medium length comments every 5 days (however, other actions will also use RC, generally at a slower rate, and reduce the number of comments. These numbers may change according to system usage (and/or future software revisions).
  3. The basic 3 SP worth of RC on free accounts is being paid by the Steem community as a whole. As new users are given free RC, everyone else's RC becomes worth less. The 15 SP delegation is provided by steemit using the massive portion of SP (around 80% of the total at the time, altough something less than that now) they got during the chain launch.
  4. As far as I know there is still vetting, but I don't have any details.

This is incredibly helpful! Thank you.

edit: just did a post sharing your answer with more people.

Thank you for laying this out.

I think that if we keep these restrictive numbers, it might be necessary for groups to pop up that delegate to new users that show promise, in order for them to be able to continue to post and comment until they get their first few payouts.