RE: Go fork yourself...a parable of self love

People are free to carry on discussions with any willing party as far as I know. If someone were to reach out to Alice and say "Hey, I heard you are doing some stuff with nodes and stuff, let's talk," she might engage, she might not. Seems pretty much not relevant to the story.

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inertia (74) 5 years ago

So she would not initiate negotiations or feel the need to formulate ~~demands~~ objectives that involve the majority chain in some way. She would not need to make any kind of ultimatum about running her fork in response to anything involving the unrecognized accounts, if those accounts completely overreact and powerdown due to her node (and sympathetic nodes) suddenly missing blocks and spamming the p2p network with irresolvable blocks.

In fact, to Alice, there's no ideal outcome involving the majority chain or any desire that the majority chain would interpret her actions as being beneficial to both chains and their respective communities.

Alice is just not interested in any actual change from the majority chain in terms of their behavior and relationship with the community.

Alice is not saying that if they go down this path the result better be more than proving a damn point.

Alice is taking this all nonchalant, after all. No vision, just shedding the unrecognized accounts. No negotiation. No pressure. No noise.

This scenario is entirely unrecognizable from what happened one week ago. I gave an analogy before:

Imagine a mugger walks up to you and points to a crude drawing of a knife. He then crumples up the drawing and throws it away and asks you to open negotiations in "good faith." He also informs you that if you do not commit to participate in his negotiations and if these negotiations do not proceed in a productive manner, he supports an "alternative method" involving the forced removal of your property.

You cannot separate the negotiations from the fork, as much as you wish you could.

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smooth (73) 5 years ago

This scenario is entirely unrecognizable from what happened one week ago.

That should be obvious. It was in fact nothing like it, by intent.

I'm not sure what the rest of your comment was about. It was too long for me to read carefully, clearly being off topic to this post.

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inertia (74) 5 years ago (edited)

Rats. I was ready to go over proximate cause.

In a nutshell:

The Alice scenario fork just sitting there doing it's thing
A negotiation with demands and no leverage

The two by themselves do nothing. The two together, where the fork is used to create leverage and the leverage is used to justify the fork, creates a new situation that crosses over to being objectively wrong.

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smooth (73) 5 years ago (edited)

Who do you think initiated the "negotiation"? If you are thinking it was the developer of the embryonic fork code or anyone talking about the possibility of such a fork happening, you would be wrong.

In point of fact, at the time the initiation of the fork discussion by Johan, Ned had been MIA for weeks. I doubt that anyone had any expectation of talking to him at all. Any discussion or negotiation took place only after Ned contacted some of the people discussing the possibility of a fork (one might venture to invoke "Alice" here, had the situations not be so completely and utterly different, at least from that point of a requested discussion forward) and asked them what sort of action he might be able to take to discourage it.

When someone asks you "What can I do to discourage you from doing X?", X being a thing which is not an act of violence or a crime of any kind, answering the question is not a threat, nor extortion, nor piracy, not heist, nor theft.

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