No one can be kicked off the network they can, in fact, take peoples worth out of every post they make and that's the freedom of owning stake. But no one can kick you off the chain unless witnesses for you or your content off and that would have to be a pretty big extreme to happen.
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Upvotes from the accounts on this list are 'mystery' votes, as these accounts are completely censored presently and upvotes from them are not named. All of their posts and comments are never shown on front ends today.
There are means of revealing them, but those means are almost mythical, they are so unavailable to ordinary users. That's pretty much kicked off the platform. The data may be on the blockchain, but almost no one can see it.
Well, guess what? If those stuff show on the frontends, you ain't loading up posts they choose to spam on.
Do you think frontends did it for the lolz? Spamming thousands of comments to a post has been a tactic to prevent people from literally seeing the post for some time.
And you don't even need to be tech savvy to see this so-called "censored" info on the blockchain. Direct links work just fine on ANY frontends if you really enjoy seeing the same spam so much.
Edit: @smooth corrected me.
Witnesses have nothing to do with that list. It is a front end feature; witnesses handle the blockchain itself (could be called the back end, in very imprecise terms).
I didn't say there was no justification for this. I pointed out that it was in fact happening, and that @thedegensloth was incorrect to say we can't be kicked off the platform without a hard fork. That list is functionally kicked off the platform, and the only thing between folks on that list and the rest of us is the good will of Steemit.
Regardless of the reasons for Steemit putting folks on that list, there are always more reasons to put people on lists. Lists always expand. What's keeping you off that list? How do you know all the accounts on that list are actually there because of spam? What if @ned went round the bend, or on a bender, and took issue with someone's comments about his hair and stuck them on the list without even mentioning it to anyone? Who would even know?
Why not let individual bloggers apply that list on their blogs, or at least have the option to unlist folks on their posts?
Centralized censorship has become a reality on Steem front ends, and something is going to happen to make that worse if that power isn't decentralized. I realize this was a stopgap measure and undertaken for good cause. The road to hell is a shortcut paved with good intentions.
MIRA can fix this. It is my hope that Moore's Law continues to hold, and also that MIRA can even be improved, such that virtually every account and user can host their own node. If that becomes much more true than it is now, Steem can be truly decentralized, and individual accounts will have to be the loci of censorship, at least this mechanism of censorship.
Until then we just have to trust the listmakers.
Why don't you go check them out one by one and come back to tell me more about it? That list applies to Steemit. Other frontends can choose whether or not they want to use it.
Just like with @thedarkoverlord, different frontends hid different items based on what they feel is appropriate. The difference between that and your traditional "centralized censorship" is people can still readily access what they did and they are not gone permanently.
In fact, I believe all frontends should be able to choose what they want to display based on the audience they are trying to attract.
I'll take your points seriously when someone actually receives the hardfork, aka actually gone, treatment.
Not to my understanding. This list is implemented via the nodes, and other front ends are using the nodes Steemit provides, according to the very limited grasp I have of this mechanism, and that is why Steempeak and Busy are also being impacted. That's why MIRA could solve the problem.
No they can't. People can't extract data from the blockchain anymore than they can build automobiles from scratch. People are functionally limited to publicly available front ends, just as much as they are commercially available cars.
Either trust is a vector for fraud or trustless mechanisms are extant. This list is not a trustless mechanism. You refer to the extant list as if that's the only possible implementation of this mechanism. I tried to point out some humorous examples of why that isn't reasonable, but you seem to have failed to grasp that fact. What if ISIS sent a few thugs to the home office and politely requested some additions or removals from the list? What if CNBC, Russia, or Israel buys Steemit.com? What if hackers attack that centralized single point of weakness?
The status quo won't persist indefinitely, and even if you trust the listmakers today, who makes that list is going to change, as is the list itself. You may not grasp that your trust of those making that list is a vector for fraud, but no victim of fraud ever did until after the fact. I don't distrust @ned to implement this mechanism without fraudulent intent. I just know that @ned isn't any more permanent than I, criminals will seek weaknesses to exploit, and only decentralization prevents centralized power from being projected.
https://github.com/steemit/irredeemables/blob/master/full.txt
Stop spreading misinformation. Have you tried entering their user name directly on the frontend? NO, YOU HAVE NOT.
Here, let me do it for you.
https://steemit.com/@animalcontrol
https://steemit.com/@cemalbaba
etc.
Come back when you can no longer see anything.
People like @iamgod and @thedarkoverlord are on completely different levels from that list you are citing.
You clearly do not have an understanding of what you are on about. Do not reply back.
I have seen multiple votes from these accounts that are not named, and they have become mystery votes. Ask @a-non-e-moose, who has necessary competence to explain this to you, and whom explained it to me when we were seeking to understand how those votes were cast.
Actions by those accounts are completely and utterly censored. Your actions conducting search aren't. I'm sorry you're incompetent to grasp the difference.
I flag trash. You have received a flag.
I flag trash. You have received a flag.
I flag trash. You have received a flag.