The true is not complete without the other side of the moon - A Hive story

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It's time to know the other side of the moon

Context: Street Workout Community

Street Workout Community (@swc-oficial) is a Venezuelan Hive Community created by Manuel Ramos (@manuelramos) dedicated to extreme urban sports, with which seems a good engagement, acceptance, onboard and energy, one of the biggest projects funded by @valueplan to organize Street Workout events and promote Hive Brand, in 155K HBD trough Manuel's alt account @marscrea.

Suddenly something happened, as you can see from these screenshots from the SWC Twitter account.

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Valueplan is no longer sending HBD to marscrea but still supporting and sending HBD to SWC through @swc-oficial, swc-oficial is an account created by Manuel Ramos but at the time of the tweets someone changed the owner keys to @swc-recupera, swc-recupera is an account created also at that time by @aliento and I suppose owned by aliento, aliento is an account owned by @eddiespino and @theycallmedan, theycallmedan is one of the keyholders of valueplan.
All this with the coincidence that at same time, Manuel Ramos and his secondary accounts (or at least some of them) are in powerdown mode with the Withdraw Vesting Route to eddiespino.

Manuel Ramos version

I invited Manuel Ramos to talk about of what happened and give his version of the story.

Here is Manuel Ramos version

Ok, let's start, since I started the development of SWC within Hive for me it has been a great challenge, the truth is that I never believed that we would receive so much funding and in such an organic way.
I particularly do not believe in the "leadership" that has been imposed by hand in the Hispanic community (the Venezuelan), the truth is that here many do not get along with each other and pretend to get along with each other for reasons of interest.
When I became aware of this dynamic I decided to dissociate myself and stay away from many people that I once had a lot of affection for, I think that from that moment on the hatred, harassment and resentment of many towards me began to become evident as the project progressed.

My friend, I do not believe in "that false diplomacy" that many here in Hive practice, I believe in the true sense of collective community but not in the centralist power structure that still prevails in Hive.

SWC has been a complete school for me, the lives of many young people have been transformed through the use of this technology, Mr. Guilty Parties has been one of the few who have believed and supported this project despite so many complex situations that predestined the end of this project or my person within this ecosystem.

I think there is no other user in this ecosystem that has received so much harassment from a few envious, spiteful, incapable, etc, I'm not going to lie to you, I do not have an easy going personality, I am quite insistent, determined and with a dominant character and obviously I am a leader since I was in the womb of the woman who brought me to this world and earthly plane.

I have been accused of so many things, that I don't even remember how many accusations I have about myself, all of them products of gossip, gossip born of envy and hatred (of that I have no doubt).

As the user (@xmanuelramos) says, I actually got into debt both inside and outside Hive, all to give it even more support and continue growing in Hive without asking so much money to Valueplan.

Some debts I could pay and some I could not, but I always pay (sooner or later I do). One of those debtors is a well known Hispanic leader who wanted to manipulate me or blackmail me with giving or taking away my support to SWC if I did not do what he was telling me to do. That is coercion and as much appreciation and respect as I have for that gentleman I could not allow myself to fall into his web of manipulation.

They blackmailed me with taking away the support of the community and thus losing even more credibility in this ecosystem, the truth is that I have given my heart to this project, I am not in it for the money, however, the money has come to us as a result of hard work and dedication.

I was forced to hand over my keys, I did it, I didn't put up any opposition, so that way I could defend the community that I built through effort, determination and passion for my sport.

Now we have again the control of our keys, the power and governance, SWC is not and will not be the petty cash of the conspirator group, SWC belongs to a great collective not only Venezuelan, remember that SWC is developed simultaneously in other nations.

You see, because I don't like to answer before so many accusations, because I have to spend at least two hours to think about what I write and say, since everyone here gives the interpretation they want and suits them to my words.

SWC is again under our governance and all thanks to the mediation of Hive Governance, that governance you sometimes attack so much.

Hive is very complex, however, Hive has been transforming the life and reality of many souls!

Brother I don't know who you are, but you spend a lot of time on this, I just hope you can visit our community (https://hive.blog/trending/hive-108943) and leave some support to some users. I invite you to visit the posts of our young people, young people who have spent months of training and induction on Web 3 and Hive (this is not paid by Valueplan) we do it for the passion and love for this.

Finally and let it be clear, I am not interested in defending myself and save my reputation, many here make very dirty moves for money, thank God I am away from them and SWC will be away from them, I just hope that Hive will be purified and remove the power to some who have been dedicated to harm the name of the blockchain with their actions, with nothing more to say, I tried to be as honest with you.

Hey, I forgot, if you check the Valueplan wallet, you will notice that I am not the only one who is accountable, I know to whom I am accountable or not, (everything here is public), so public that, if I buy something or acquire some product or service everyone knows about it XD. Since a long time ago I lost my privacy, because, even if you find it hard to believe or use this as a joke or make fun of me, I have been under constant harassment from certain people who are part of this ecosystem (some Venezuelan so-called leaders) and yet governance has done nothing to end it, On the contrary, people who have tried to harm me are sent to conferences, they give more marketing impact roles without realizing that what they are doing is doing great harm to the ecosystem, but in the end, the "bad" one is me and I think that's what counts for many.

In the meantime, we will continue on the road to Success!

Let's go for more!

Mars.

From his response things that I found serious
harassment, manipulation, blackmail, forced to hand over hive keys, coercion. I repeat

harassment, manipulation, blackmail, forced to hand over hive keys, coercion

Now, I think it's fair and necessary have the other side of the story and version, for that I will invite @eddiespino and since SWC is a project where valueplan put faith and effort, maybe @theycallmedan or @guiltyparties, to give their version of the story and if possible to have the answer for the 2 questions below.

Questions without response so far
Who is in charge of the binance's account with the memo tx 100290200 used by @swc-oficial?
Who have the keys of @marscrea account?

Thanks in advance for your collaboration!

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Ay Dios, ustedes me generan ansiedad, creí que con los usuarios hispanos (los súper líderes) ya tenía suficiente XD. Ya procedo, nuevamente a dar una respuesta.Oh God, you guys make me anxious, I thought I had enough with the Hispanic users (the super leaders) XD.I'll proceed, again to give an answer.

This looks like you have been partnering with Hive's leading reporter McGarnicle @blanchy.

Yeah 🤣🤣

Mcgarnicle is being called back from investigating last month's Splinterlands boardroom vote to investigate this peculiarity.

Looking forward to your report McGarnicle!

Who is in charge of the binance's account with the memo tx 100290200 used by @swc-oficial?

Maybe you don't know this, but the memos changed for everyone when the Binance deposit address changed from @deepcrypto8 to @bdhivesteem. My memo changed, too. That's why you don't see the same memo in the transactions, but as far as I know, the new memo belongs to Manuel because he still receives funds on the swc-oficial account.

I have the keys to marscrea, but this account has not received any funds since I got them. By mistake, 10 HBDs were sent by valueplan, and I sent them to swc-oficial, as you can see on the chain. I'm powering that account and two others that belong to Manuel to recover at least part of the money he still owes me. The amount that he owes me is none of your business.

Like 90% of the people he interacts with, I had a problem with Manuel. I was patient; it took me two years to end the relationship with him. Others don't even last a week or a few days. Long story short, he wanted to give up on the project, and he sent the keys to me and another SWC, who ultimately didn't take over the leadership of SWC. I saved the keys and planned to do nothing with them. Then the problem escalated, and they (the whole SWC Community, not only Manuel) threatened to leave Hive, yes, after receiving more than 160K USD. So, I changed the keys of the accounts. But then I gave them back to Guilty Parties, and he gave them to the SWC leader, who is still Manuel. They are not leaving Hive. It was just an empty threat.

I'm not supporting Manuel anymore with curation from aliento/tcmd. However, I'm still voting for some of the athletes' posts on the SWC community, and I'm also voting for other athletes' posts in Full Deportes. Some of these athletes were expelled from SWC because they had personal problems with Manuel.

I agree with Manuel about something. Why do you spend so much time on this? You are making suppositions and taking things out of context. And from all the Hive users, you are one of the ones who needs less explanation because of your stake.

Thanks for your response! Appreciate!

I think the circle (both versions) is closed now.
I'm not interested in personal conflicts but hope you can manage that for the goods of all.
I'm interest, like others also are, on this is because there is dhf money involved, and some words in Manuel's explanation, it's not nice taking keys by coercion, this is Hive Blockchain, this is not a gang, I hope! If Manuel is saying the true, of course!

Now, gently, can you please explain at you mean by "making suppositions and taking things out of context". What supposition did you read on post and tell me what is out of context to be corrected or give a context, if it is the case. I made the post on mobile phone and maybe I didn't rechecked enough what I wrote.

And from all the Hive users, you are one of the ones who needs less explanation because of your stake.

This part ☝️ blow my mind lol
Do you mean that your 7,7k stake need, or deserve, more explanation than my 3,5k stake, are we mesuring anything here? 🤔
If you want to rephrase this, be my guest, it my be something lost in translation or something.

I will not comment further on this. I'd rather spend my time doing something productive. I hope you understand.

eheheh the typical touch and run away 😁
No, I don't understand but I also don't understand a lot of other things so, no problem 🤟

I dedicate you this song. And also to Manuel, lol.

me hiciste buscar la canción traducida al castellano XD

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Thank you! Is the first time someone dedicate me a song on chain 😁

I couldn't find a song that said as much about you as this one. Very good choice! Don't go too far because I'll have more and better and interesting news soon 😉

Once again great work my friend. The same pillars of our glorious community keep cropping up with some shady dealings that everyone can see on the blockchain. It's laughable really. Seeing that everyone is sending you songs I thought I'd add one myself which is the primary theme of your post.

Prepare your YouTube skills because I have more coming soon lol

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@doze ojalá entendieras el castellano, le dedico esta canción a todos esos que partiendo de su miseria humana han actuado contra de SWC y mi persona!

@doze I wish you understood Spanish, I dedicate this song to all those who, out of their human misery, have acted against SWC and me!

Me he dado cuenta que la verdad es tan relativa
Y la realidad es tanta mentira...
Perros tratando de invadir mi propiedad privá' mientras dormía
Buscando robar mis hembras, mis reales, mi comida
"Maldito sea el hombre que confía en otro hombre"
Qué gran verdad en esa frase se esconde
Me siento como un loco al tratar de confiar yo todavía
En alguien, en el planeta de la hipocresía
¡Válgame, soy un iluso! Tan bravo que me la doy y el abuso
Es natural que en contra de mí den uso
Mundo sucio donde todos piensan solo en ellos mismos
Malditos mil veces, títeres del egoísmo
Esta es pa' ti, pa' ti, tú que me traicionaste a mí
Me das la mano, con tu cara 'e "Yo no fui"
Y yo inocente te la di porque todavía no sabía
Que tu risita venía con la fecha ya vencía'

Some may think it is a personal matter for you, some others and even me. But the truth is that these things are happening in our Blockchain, something that involves also a project as important as DHF and valueplan.

Given the doubts and possible irregularities, it is important that the community knows the truth and can clarify all the doubts and gaps they have.

I read something in particular that made me quite noise, and I can only say that Hive is a decentralized community, created by the community and for the community, when we say community I believe that we do not make distinctions of our stake here.

This is quite worrying, especially because I am participating in a constant campaign where our discourse is "decentralization of a web created by a community for the community" on web 2 to attract people, influencers and investors.

I would not want to give them to understand that it is a false discourse when they see comments made with some annoyance or ego by people who have influence on our Blockchain.

comments made with some annoyance or ego by people who have influence on our Blockchain

What influence?
In Portugal there is a kind of proverb that says something like this "I look like a big man in my dad's pants."

Having a history of working our issues out publicly, transparently has value for the chain, iyam.

Yeah like the oligarchs do, the fewer people know the better for the system 🤟