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It's definitely an interesting project. The Tau Meta Language is due to be completed this month followed soon by a demo. Keep an eye on it.
Ask any questions in the Tau telegram chat: https://t.me/tauchain
The goal is Tau is simple: it'll be the first useful general decentralized network. Imagine a decentralized network whose code can automatically update and be executed according to the real time wishes of it's users. That's Tau. With Tau, each successive block of the blockchain is defined by the previous block according to the on the fly specifications of its users. There is no voting, no centralized core coding team. It is a seamless form of decentralized self amendment that takes into consideration the wishes of its users at any given time.
This isn't done via magic and is very sophisticated under the hood. Tau requires a decidable, self defining logic which supports negation, a meta language that can translate any computer language defined under it, the ability to scale discussions and derive knowledge up to millions of users, synthesize code automatically, and finally implementation of the blockchain. It took Ohad, the smartest person I know, years to come to this design.
A true general decentralized network doesn't come from just shoving a turing complete language into the blockchain. That's far too simple and impractical. Forcing everyone to run the same code in a single turing complete language would be like if bittorrent forced everyone to download and upload the same files, yet almost half the money in the sector are invested in these projects.
Give it time, Tau will demonstrate it's something else entirely: a not just practical, but indispensable technology.
EDIT: Small factual correction, Ohad went to university at the age of 13, not 12.
I hope to see more of your writing on it soon coming out regularly, as it (this being but one example) is definitely some of the best, easily-accessible, well-articulated coverage out on the project so far.
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I definitely will write more when milestones are met.
I don't explain Tau well, because I know I don't understand it very well. I try to learn and eventually get better at it.
Development should be interesting over the coming months leading up the the Alpha, especially since we're expecting the Tau Meta Language to be done within a month or so. I'm a big believer in Ohad, and this is definitely the most interesting project out there right now.
Personally I think you did a great job of explian it. I am pretty much a novice dealing in world crypto currencys but I was able to follow pretty well.
@trafalgar This is one of the wonders that the blockchain brings with the cryptocurrencies to generate alternative income to the communities, democracy and universal income is on the way. I wish you the best of successes and I will follow you to be attentive to your content, greetings and luck!
Thats an amazing information, i love it
Yes, interesting project but what a difficult sell! Will need use cases and the 'proof will be in the pudding'.
After reading The New Tau last Dec, I started spending almost every night reading the blog or the irc chatlog or just about anything related to the technicals/concepts surrounding it just trying to catch up with Ohad's mind. The technical sophistication and rigor he has put into this project is nothing short of astonishing. IMO, he has zeroed in on something very fundamental about the nature of (intelligent) decentralized networks, and with following through it, providing many first-time solutions to a lot of life/blockchain problems in one fell swoop.
Hmm I'm now slightly more interesting now that you've commented about it.
My hope is that we can use Tauchain to collaboratively cure cancer. Cancer is one of the main killers and not enough resources are being directed toward finding a cure.
This is an interesting statement to ponder, given the number of various organizations directed towards the task and billions of dollars channeled through them...
Yet, it's understandable how they've failed.
While there are many different institutions working towards that end, there are a number of factors playing into their "failures," such as:
There have been plenty of accounts of people healing from cancer, whether via juice detoxes and various "alternative" practices or some of the qi gong and prayer/intention-focused methods continually used successfully in hospitals in China....
But have THOSE pieces of knowledge been factored into the research done by institutional pharmaceutical-funded Cancer research organizations in the west? Doubtful.
I, personally, think where the value proposition of Tau could come in when approaching such a task is the open-sourcing of collaborative research...
Discussions could be advanced, such that we could introduce all those different case studies from different countries, different "alternative" practices, different fields outside of the conventional Cancer research organizations that've squandered billions worth of resources.
It could serve the effective bridging between all these different worlds, which each have essential pieces to the puzzle.
At this point, given the organizational model that most of the research has been conducted within - which has several inherent cognitive biases and excludes a wealth of knowledge not adhering to its cultural belief systems - it doesn't matter how many resources are thrown at the problem, because the system is fundamentally broken.
But if Tau can provide the platform to effectively scale discussions in a way that the problem-solving process gets upgraded from one conducted in a segmented environment with flawed, exclusive models, to a far broader collaborative endeavor in which contributions from all directions can be factored into the equation...
Fuck yeah.
And this is only one example of a problem.
The exact same concept could be applied to any number of problems - and collective, open-source design of solutions, derived through scaled discussion free of language barriers and input of knowledge from a wide range of perspectives and fields...
What I think we can do and I may be the first to say this in public, is I want to see Tauchain be useful for saving lives. Specifically we save our own lives by curing cancer, by developing anti aging supplements, and we can use the tokenization and securities model to do it in such a way that it is fully compliant. If we can get it right we could raise the necessary money in an ICO which gives everyone the right to have profit shares from the treatment or the cure as well as access to whatever successful treatment gets developed.
It is true the current model allows for corporations to do studies but we can do this decentralized more effectively. For one the FDA has strict regulations but not every country does. So this could allow for biohacking and anti-aging studies to take place in an accelerated pace. At the same time cancer specifically can be seen as a threat to damn near everybody just going off the risk statistics so it is in your best interest and mine to cure it.
If one of us does not end up getting cancer someone we know and love will. So why aren't each of us contributing to curing it right now? Well we don't have the ability to contribute is why. We can't even effectively do protein folding yet. So we need to develop the means to decentralize medical research and anti-aging research in my opinion starting with cancer. Aging is a more controversial and difficult target.
Success can be measured both in profitability for the token holders and in lives saved. I don't know about everyone else but I want to live as long as possible. I also want to be healthy as long as possible. Anyone who agrees should want to do anything it takes to achieve that for themselves.
And think about it what is more mainstream than to save lives? I'm also suggesting that mainstream ability is assured if there are more lives being saved than lives put at risk by a technology. One problem with Ethereum and crypto right now is all the universalized use cases are being over shadowed by what I'll call ideologically rigid use cases. I don't mind libertarians or anarchists but I think saving lives is more important than any ideology.
Saving life with all what one is determined to use for saving lives can also be seen as an ideology in itself. It has the ideal notion that prolonging life and conquer death is good in total.
It does not ask the question at what point an individual decides to let lose on either manipulating the process of aging or dying. Staying young and fighting death dominates this ideal notion.
This is good seen in hospitals where the vow of a doctor comes into conflict with those wanting to accompany the dying. If one is not considered having entered the process of death than it makes no sense to give him company on this path. So people die often alone and in agony or totally drugged because there is no one feeling responsible to accompany them on their last ride. While the medical staff is still in hurry to safe the patients life, it happens nevertheless that the patient dies. If all life saving efforts fail it is not unusual that staff and doctors blame themselves and feel they have lost a battle. This causes a lot of mental pain.
From my experience I can say that treatment in hospitals where actually even the blindest could see that a 86 year old patient cannot be saved and will die of her diseases there was still no one who either was clear in saying so or giving us relatives the assurance that we could express freely our longing for peace and quiet in encountering our mother. I felt being robbed of the needed opportunities to be there for my mom. There is no space for relatives, you cannot be there over night, no room for contemplation or even exchanging consoling words between staff and visitors.
In fact, the fear of death has become so huge that the poor dying person has to carry the whole burden, seeing his relatives not being able to let him go. A lot of times this makes the dying person holding on to his life even though he actually wants to go. On top this human must deal with fearful medical assistants and doctors which spread a great uneasiness towards him or her and avoid making empathic contact. There is not much expertise with death to be found in a hospital.
Also see those who do not care about formulating a last will during their healthy lifetimes and then, getting sick and die all of a sudden - leaving their relatives with the burden to decide on life-supporting measures not exactly knowing what the patient might want when he cannot speak for himself. Never talked before about those important matters. The same with the inheritance of belongings, which are then to be divided up by the bereaved and one begins to quarrel because a relative did not consider it necessary to take care of the welfare of his bereaved, since death was a personal insult.
Though I have nothing against using medicine and treatment for being cured from cancer I think that saving lives is not a broad enough approach towards what humanity also means beyond saving lives.
Great Post!
Check out this article on the advantages of blockchain development
https://steemit.com/blockchain/@yozu/5-advantages-of-blockchain-development-to-keep-an-eye-out-for-in-2018
Great Post!
Check out this article on the advantages of blockchain development
https://steemit.com/blockchain/@yozu/5-advantages-of-blockchain-development-to-keep-an-eye-out-for-in-2018
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Omg this is brilliant. I am interested now after never doing a deep dive. Thanks for writing this.
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He he, purrrrrfect.
Your welcome. 😇
I need to read this about 10 more times to really get my head around it, but bravo there's a lot of information there in lay man's terms. This has been on our radar for a few weeks but yep with out the relevant understanding it's been a bit of a mission to really get our heads around it. Ill be getting my b.f to read this blog too we will most likely be investing if our crypto portfolio's recover a bit! Ha!
So thank you for taking the time to write it, i think it will be super helpful to a lot of people!
UPDATE- 3 times was sufficient. I managed to give a rough brake down on the phone to my b.f which he seemed to understand. :p
@rok-sivant Do you have any video presentation ? This blog is seems to be more complicated to understand. Please share or make some simple video to understand the project. @printskill
As stated, there’s been very little marketing done yet, so no, not really much available in regards to simplified videos.
This is one - however, it only speaks to a very small aspect of what the project offers, from the standpoint of contracting developers - not at all touching on the much larger aspects of scaling discussions, TML, or the knowledge economy. Thus, it might give some idea of some capabilities, but only a very small percent:
The other best video content would be this, however it is not at all simple, nor exciting, nor fully comprehensible by the average person (or even above-average, myself included):
The problem with knowledge, whether it is generated by code or by a scientific work of three hundred pages, is that it will never be a knowledge that represents a totality.
All knowledge is never total knowledge. Even if one would unite all scientific works of all existing sciences in one tau intelligence, it would only reflect knowledge exactly on the level which is available as data. Inevitably a knowledge outside of this matrix is excluded. So far completely unknown knowledge, which does not know any language. Beyond the space of language, which is always bound to the mind that understands this language, there is "speechlessness". Everything, which is so far unconsidered and unnamed. This unnamed and ignorant is not found in the mind (of a human being or a machine), because it is bound to the corporeality of organic life, it is an experience not yet made.
The comparison Ohad Asor makes here is very well made. A person who learns a language from the age of 0 to the age of 20 has reached exactly the language level he has reached. In this span of life he has learned to reach a level: his own level. This is the same with Tau. It would be worth asking when the time had actually been reached when Tau had reached a learning goal of which one could say: This is the final goal to which learning is needed. How long would such a time span be? Five years, ten years, a hundred years? How long does Tau's intelligence have to mature to become an "adult" from "childhood"? And what effect does this have on the ability to make decisions and the applications that, for example, Tau suggested in its childhood - based on its current knowledge - and which have an impact on the physically organic world of humans?
What if the question of atomic energy revealed that the operation of atomic milers was a deeply illogical form of energy production? So if the answer would be total certainty that we humans are overwhelmed with a definitive analysis of atomic energy? Would this then mean that people who are currently deciding how to proceed with energy production would make physically relevant decisions because Tau Intelligence has calculated it that way? Would the Tau answer change anything about the fact that nuclear waste is highly toxic and solve the question of disposal for us?
Ohad Asor also says that applications would be many times faster. But what about human speed? Since we humans do not have an almost infinite capacity for processing knowledge in the sense of data, we feel inferior to machine knowledge. To what extent is an application of human value if it specifies speeds that are beyond human speed?
I ask myself the question whether we are not heading towards a transformation of our physical world, which - already now - allows us to rather serve the needs of machines. We seem to believe that machines are at our service, but when I look at how much space machines need, how much effort is required for their production, maintenance and care, I can already see that my living space is highly dominated by them. The time and energy I have to spend to maintain a car, for example, from both the financial and energy aspects. Production facilities including again machinery, then roads, parking spaces as external operators and space requirements as well as my own time and finances spent on administration and driving. Hospital employees who understand, maintain, operate, and manage their high technical equipment to a high degree can compare this with the amount of energy spent on organic entities such as staff and patients. It's clear to me that as technology increases, it's the technology that's cared for and noticed by us humans. This can be seen very clearly in the Caesarean section in maternity clinics, which give preference to this method because of its technological structures. This means that the collection of data outside of clinics and intervention-free births does not take place or takes place to such an extent that it is not relevant. That means that data which could be collected is not collected because of the use of technology.
From an organic point of view, tau intelligence does not make as much sense as from a mechanical point of view.
On the other hand, I, too, find it fascinating to get an answer to a question that neither I nor other people would have come up with. In fact, it's not the answers themselves that are interesting, but the questions we ask.
I haven't even started with all the psychological aspects but I will leave it at that.
Great to see your inquisitive mind entering the Tau discussions... :-)
In fact, I did think a lot about AI even before entering the steemit blockchain. I do know though, that I will be hardly listened to and that my critical attitude is somehow disturbing the enthusiasm about tau technology. This steemit realm has way more tech enthusiasts then all the other social media platforms I ever entered and is by nature more leaning towards foreseeing only the beneficial aspects of a technology like this (even without understanding it).
I haven't made up my mind yet - and don't know if I ever will take one side (probably not) - but I always would ask people to be more like a greek debater and also investigate the cons of a technology.
While I really do think that dealing personally with such a topic is highly enriching and leads to philosophical realms and intimate questions about ones own outlook on life and humanity I know that not many people are taking their times in doing so. They all have their reasons.
One thing I find particularly fascinating about the prospects of Tauchain:
Even if “people would hardly listen to you,” it wouldn’t matter so much.
There is value in your critical perspectives.
And if Tau gets built successfully, the contribution of that value gets accounted for and factored into whatever discussions you show up in. It wouldn’t matter whether or not other people wouldn’t “like” your opinions because they conflicted with theirs - your input would still be a valuable contribution - perhaps even moreso, as it might be of a rarer nature than commonly-held opinions...
hm hm ... :-) yeah, my man would say something similar. We talk a lot about this topic, really, a lot.
Oh, I am always risking my popularity, more often than I do promote it I would say. ;-)
We'll see what tau will bring ...
Thanks for coming back for a little chat.
Have a good day,
Night from Hamburg
Hi rok. I remember reading your article about this technology a while back and think the future does look bright if they can bring it to fruition. The knowledge and technology can be sped up and who knows what this can do for everyone going forward. The benefits could be huge.
I have been hearing much about this Tauchi, even @kevinwong throw more light on it before you doing same again.
I must say you heat on how the block chain d been messed up following the over hyped bragging and the rest. We all think they will be the game changer and they end up been the money waster. Sometimes, i say to my self, block chain is now looking like advance ponzi. Am shocked with the over hype and all that. Am still happy that we have some that are promising and doing well.
For sure, this stuff is looking like a great deal with what am seeing haven't read the white papers. Will pay close attention and jump on board if i can afford it. Thanks so much, appreciate you for throwing more light on it again.
please check your p.m there is something informative there
HYIP projects give wrong picture , hence we should be careful while going through details of any HYIP projects , TAUCHAIN looks promising and the team looks great , I am looking to work with the team
What’s HYIP?
great stuff!
Is this project's archnemesis PiChain?
Thanks for the write-up. It’s for sure the most interesting project so far. I hope it will succeed.
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I really like your line "The blockchain space has been flooded with over-hyped projects" as I am a big fan of blockchain. Your concept is really clear reagarding this issue. I like it.
awesome post
hi nice post keep in touch
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So nice and informative post.
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Articel good.
Interesante, puede ser que Tauchain sea otro nuevo "este si" o no. Mas allá de la complejidad técnica, triunfara el que posiblemente sin estar totalmente listo se lance, de verdad, y explote en la practica lo extraordinario en rutina. Abrir el camino pues.
El proyecto es muy bueno y espero que tenga éxito. La explicación está bien detallada pero para los nuevos en esto es un poco compleja. Suerte.
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