Does the tag #pob support #vyb also automatically? And vice versa, does the #vyb tag also support the #pob tag? Or are they two separate tags, that have nothing to do with each other and when a VYB staked upvotes a #pob post, nothing happens?
They are technically two separate tribes and two separate tokens. The complementarity of the two was a conscious decision made collectively by me, @scholaris, and @calumam, with concurrence by @proofofbrainio.
During these first few weeks, a few things are being done differently, just to make things interesting and to generate some special vybes for VYB.
upvotes will payout more quickly (2 days for the first 10 days, then 3 or 4 days for next 10 days, then 7 days thereafter), and
rewards-pool inflation is a bit slower than normal (1/3 for the first 10 days, 2/3 for the next 10 days, then full from then on).
After this initial ramp-up period, any post that uses #pob or #proofofbrain will automatically earn VYB (in addition to POB), but not vice versa (i.e. using #vyb or #verifyyourbrain will NOT automatically earn POB, unless @proofofbrainio chooses to add those tags to POB's scotbot settings).
Thank you for the detailed answer! I will probably create a VYB curation service as well, but one step after another. Have to manage ten other curators first but soon we will have an awesome way for whitelisted curators to call our curation accounts to good content.
Sounds good! I'm hoping to have the curation details ready to release in the next day or so. This should provide some information about how other projects with focused POB/VYB curation can synergize with the VYB Curation Project (or ultimately decide to tread their own path, both are wins in my book).
Well I've been snooping around and most likely being a pain in the butt for some while challenging folks to get their act together. As far as I know there could be three more on the horizon all stemming from 'recent events' so that's a good sign. These tools don't need to be collecting dust. I see these issues some are facing as a blessing in disguise. That energy just needs to be focused on being productive rather than making people feel defeated. Away for four months, came back, and it looked like folks were just sitting on their hands. It's a releif to see this spring up seemingly out of nowhere.
I think my only concern with this project is scaling up while having to manually enforce the rules. And those rules are fair, but strict. Roughly how many active users do you think can be managed in that fashion?
I think my only concern with this project is scaling up while having to manually enforce the rules. And those rules are fair, but strict. Roughly how many active users do you think can be managed in that fashion?
Well, some degree of automation is in the works -- especially with respect to dropping comments to warn suspected abusers that their accounts are being or will soon be scrutinized. More than that, though, is the planned development of 'systems' to enable individual users to help monitor and moderate.
It is an ambitious undertaking. I am truly grateful to have @scholaris and @calumam helping to get this project launched. And, it is an experiment. Adjustments can be made along the way, to adapt to important lessons-learned.
The automated message. That's been done before. It can get ugly if the one on the receiving end would prefer to keep their secret and carry on with the suspected abuse.
Even as groups 'policing' potential cases of abuse dropped the automated message and switched to an automated small downvote, those on the receiving end are quite often disgusted with it. Could be a clear case of consistent proven plagiarism or identity theft; the one receiving the message is not happy, at all, to the point of writing a daily diary smear campaign or simply being overly dramatic and disruptive within the community. It doesn't always turn out like that but it does go that way, sometimes.
I saw it a lot though in the early days when folks showed up from all over the world expecting a free-for-all. Be very careful with how that message is worded. Something like, "Hello, your account is due for an audit shortly. Please be certain you've been following these rules..." could be a lot less abrasive and alarming than, "Hello. You're up to no good and we know it."
This is a good question, I'm getting confused about this stuff because it's all being changed over the first two weeks. But in the meantime, use both tags and you can't go wrong.
I am more interested in the curation part as in the author side of it. I just started the @pob-curator service as part of the @curation-cartel (subdivision of 1UP and the Cartel). Hence the interest in what tags we can upvote with POB stake and what tags with VYB stake.
They are technically two separate tribes and two separate tokens. The complementarity of the two was a conscious decision made collectively by me, @scholaris, and @calumam, with concurrence by @proofofbrainio.
During these first few weeks, a few things are being done differently, just to make things interesting and to generate some special vybes for VYB.
So, with that said, for the first couple weeks:
After this initial ramp-up period, any post that uses #pob or #proofofbrain will automatically earn VYB (in addition to POB), but not vice versa (i.e. using #vyb or #verifyyourbrain will NOT automatically earn POB, unless @proofofbrainio chooses to add those tags to POB's scotbot settings).
Thank you for the detailed answer! I will probably create a VYB curation service as well, but one step after another. Have to manage ten other curators first but soon we will have an awesome way for whitelisted curators to call our curation accounts to good content.
Sounds good! I'm hoping to have the curation details ready to release in the next day or so. This should provide some information about how other projects with focused POB/VYB curation can synergize with the VYB Curation Project (or ultimately decide to tread their own path, both are wins in my book).
Hey Trost, long time no see.
Good luck with this project. I hope folks see it as a sign of progress and are ready to move forward.
Thanks, as do I.
I also hope it encourages others to instantiate their own Layer 2 experiments.
Well I've been snooping around and most likely being a pain in the butt for some while challenging folks to get their act together. As far as I know there could be three more on the horizon all stemming from 'recent events' so that's a good sign. These tools don't need to be collecting dust. I see these issues some are facing as a blessing in disguise. That energy just needs to be focused on being productive rather than making people feel defeated. Away for four months, came back, and it looked like folks were just sitting on their hands. It's a releif to see this spring up seemingly out of nowhere.
I think my only concern with this project is scaling up while having to manually enforce the rules. And those rules are fair, but strict. Roughly how many active users do you think can be managed in that fashion?
Well, some degree of automation is in the works -- especially with respect to dropping comments to warn suspected abusers that their accounts are being or will soon be scrutinized. More than that, though, is the planned development of 'systems' to enable individual users to help monitor and moderate.
It is an ambitious undertaking. I am truly grateful to have @scholaris and @calumam helping to get this project launched. And, it is an experiment. Adjustments can be made along the way, to adapt to important lessons-learned.
The automated message. That's been done before. It can get ugly if the one on the receiving end would prefer to keep their secret and carry on with the suspected abuse.
Even as groups 'policing' potential cases of abuse dropped the automated message and switched to an automated small downvote, those on the receiving end are quite often disgusted with it. Could be a clear case of consistent proven plagiarism or identity theft; the one receiving the message is not happy, at all, to the point of writing a daily diary smear campaign or simply being overly dramatic and disruptive within the community. It doesn't always turn out like that but it does go that way, sometimes.
I saw it a lot though in the early days when folks showed up from all over the world expecting a free-for-all. Be very careful with how that message is worded. Something like, "Hello, your account is due for an audit shortly. Please be certain you've been following these rules..." could be a lot less abrasive and alarming than, "Hello. You're up to no good and we know it."
This is a good question, I'm getting confused about this stuff because it's all being changed over the first two weeks. But in the meantime, use both tags and you can't go wrong.
The guru who knows these things is @trostparadox
I am more interested in the curation part as in the author side of it. I just started the @pob-curator service as part of the @curation-cartel (subdivision of 1UP and the Cartel). Hence the interest in what tags we can upvote with POB stake and what tags with VYB stake.
I think it will work for curating POB posts in a few weeks but don't quote me on that!