No Fun at Parties

in Reflections2 months ago

We had Friday afterwork drinks tonight, and instead of going to a local pub, we had it at the office itself. We have a new and quite nice office, with a great coffee area, perfectly for an informal get together. From about 4pm on, about 50 people came through to chat, enjoy a BYO drink, nibble on some snacks, and talk some crap.

Talk some work.

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For many of the people, it seems like they struggle to talk about anything other than work, which makes sense, because most of them only have working relationships with their colleagues. However, for those of us who interact outside of work and have broader conversations at work, the discussions were much deeper.

Unfortunately...

I have the unendearing quality of talking about serious topics, rather than "smalltalk" conversations. However, the way I talk about these serious topics that can get people a little riled up, is not in an overly serious manner, with what I say filled with jokes and slightly uncomfortable humor, where people laugh, then feel bad for doing so. And, a lot of these conversations are the product and continuation of other conversations that have been had over the space of days or weeks.

The challenge in a workplace event like this, is that there are a lot of "random" people that end up being part of the conversation, or sitting on the sidelines of the discussion, just listening. This means that it is possible that they are not ready for a lot of the content, because they haven't been primed to it, as they weren't part of the original discussions, and the topics themselves might not be to their tastes, even if it is to others. However, there is a social pressure to at least feign interest.

And, this reminded me of how people interact online, where they interject themselves into discussions that aren't meant for them, yet they feel that they should respond. Generally, the people who do this are complaining about the content, where for instance a comedian like Gervais or Chapelle tells a joke on stage, it is then put on Twitter with no context around it, and people are outraged.

Why?

There seems to be an expectation that no matter where we are, we shouldn't face anything that makes us uncomfortable, or we disagree with, even if we are in a public space, filled with a highly diverse range of people, with a wide range of interests and personalities. It is interesting to me how the people who talk about "inclusion" are generally the same ones who are cancelling and excluding people who have different opinions and tastes in humor than themselves.

Oooh.... aah... so inclusive.

The entire value of conversation is to be able to hear other sides of our own views, to get perspectives, and to engage in discussions that allow us to battle test our belief systems. This is how we are able to evolve our thoughts, as well as support them. However, while there are better and worse ways to hold these discussions, we shouldn't expect other people to provide the conversation i the form that we want, with our "preference" generally being in a way that doesn't make us uncomfortable, or upset us.

Impossible.

When we are in public spaces, what we overhear is not an opt-in decision. However, the option we do have is to say to ourselves, this is not for me, and walk away if we choose. But, what might be more valuable, is to actually participate in the discussion, because like one of my colleagues said to me yesterday, then there is the chance to get clarity, and learn. And, the learning isn't only in the perspective, but also learning how to hear what we don't want to hear.

We live in a culture that is increasingly digital, with less "personal" space, and more platform space with a load of random strangers. As such, we need to understand that not everyone is our friend, not everything that is said we will agree with, and that whether we are reading content from others, or putting content there ourselves, the audience is going to largely be split across many people who are going to agree and disagree, as well as have very different styles for their own "next steps" responses.

At least in my own experience, I get the feeling that due to people's online lives and the ability to curate so much of their consumption, as well as the algorithms that feed it, we have lost our face to face conversational ability. We aren't very good at debating a topic anymore, but rather, we get polarized and emotionally unstable instead. It is no wonder why there is so much violence and emotional breaks due to conversations that used to just be "heated arguments".

Thankfully, I rarely cross lines with my colleagues, and since they know me quite well, they are pretty willing to be part of the conversation and ask for clarity, before getting upset. And of course, in the workplace, I don't talk about anything "too controversial", though these days the bar for what is upsetting to some people is incredibly low.

Overall, it was a nice couple of hours talking with some very smart people, and a good start to the weekend. Getting together once a month would be ideal.

Most people likely can't stand me more than that.

Taraz
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I tend to always fall back to work topics with work people as well. It's just the fact that I have such a unique range of interests that it isn't likely I am going to have a lot of common ground with many of them. That's crazy the idea of having drinks at work. I can't even imagine that working in a public school!

I just don't interact with a single colleague unless pushed to (private school here). I sit in my own little cavern and teach when I gotta teach.

I used to interact and go to dinner etc years back, but I just get so tired of the work talk and never engaged in it. From the beginning of my adult life I can't remember a single time I've taken work outside of work. I'd always move the conversation to something else, like how there are ants with door-heads!

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I don't really do too much with work people outside of work either. That will be a small exception this week, but for the most part I keep the two lives separate.

I am usually the one in the sidelines and just listening in these types of parties. I usually have a small group of friend, so when friends of friends, and other groups join together, there are some inside jokes and topics that I am not familiar with. But when you're in a nice group of people, they usually try to talk about things that are easy to understand and join in. I usually like talking about financial strategies and business ideas with friends, and people are usually keen to listen and join the conversation.

Reading this post, it sounds like socialization advice. Thank you for that. I reblog it because I want to read it again and pick out the points from it with which I might advice younger generations.
Most of our youths are just unlearned when it comes to relating with others in conversation. Some choke in their words where they shouldn't and then sound foolish before others. Still at that, some too quite not knowing how to properly share their opinions with others.
When we share properly and wisely in discussions it reduces friction in our relationship with others. Thank you for sharing this.

The bar for what is upsetting to some people is pretty low got me laughing 😂... I thought "children of anger" was restricted to just my part of the world 😂

I actually love to maintain work relationship between me and my colleagues but at the same time, there are some people who are exceptional and that we can tell a few things happening to us and all
I mean personal things but not by telling everyone in our workplace

This means that it is possible that they are not ready for a lot of the content, because they haven't been primed to it, as they weren't part of the original discussions

Might be....some of them are introvert. It's too difficult to pull out extrovertism from an introvert even on an occasion like that.

to engage in discussions that allow us to battle test our belief systems

The belief system is always subject to the gross social consciousness of your age. That means it keeps of changing. That is why the notion of justice is also not fixed.

Talking in public places has it’s bad side, especially when you’re drunk.
Nevertheless you wanted to spend quality time with your colleagues to laugh and talk about stuffs

If we support parties as we support our favourite sports teams, we will be much more polarized by politicians as it is a method for them to stay in power.

There really should be only one party - one that has the right people in the right positions, to improve human wellbeing.

We can become self-sufficient, but we are not aware of it.

The issue you're dancing around is that the internet age allows people to express with impunity. Before that, you had a very real risk of being punched in the face whenever you were around people.

Everyone had an instinctive understanding that they should say things according to unwritten social laws, and behave accordingly, lest they want to wake up with two black eyes or missing chunks of hair.

That comes with a kind of forced expectation to understand each other on some level as every social interaction has a kind of subtle underbelly of 'maintaining the peace but prepare for war', even in the friendliest exchanges.

Most people most of their time can now say what they want and only get written feedback, so in their very few in-face exchanges, they feel slighted whenever their unhindered opinions get questioned and they can't just block or change the algorithm away. It's right there in their face and they have to deal with it but they don't know how.

I suggest to them to just punch you in the face next time you make them uncomfortable! Over time y'all'll (new word?) figure it out and be best buddies in no time