How ZING could give Hive more value

in Holozing Community3 months ago

Hello everyone!

Or should I say, holo!

Before I begin, I have to warn you that this'll be quite a speculative post, none of what's said here is meant to be taken as investment advice or make you fomo into anything. Hopefully you're experienced enough by now to know doing your research and not having to trust others is what important in this space and something that gives blockchain value.

The way we initiated the claimdrop for holozing was quite unique both in terms of Hive and the general web3 space. Naturally, there've been some inspirations to it from projects like @wrestorgonline who've been running a token issuance based on delegated HP to their project for over 2 years now so props to them for that. While this is a great way to kickstart projects there are some limitations to it, so let's look into what these could be for this part of the claimdrop for Zing.

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Realistically speaking there's a limit to how much delegated hivepower @zingtoken can receive and there's many different kinds of intentions behind that. For instance:

  • people who want to participate in the project and earn tokens for long term hold or usage
  • people who want to participate to take advantage of the high APR to sell tokens back for hive while earning more curation rewards than if they were curating
  • people who want to do a mix of the two points above

Myself for instance would fall under the first group of people, although Zing's history is short, I haven't unstaked a lot of tokens and the few I did was to enter the liquidity pool when it opened up early on. My strategy was to amass as much Zing as possible without spending too much Hive (it's a marathon, not a sprint). I also prefer to earn staking rewards over liquidity pool rewards because my gain in Zing there feels "safer", that is not to say that I think the liquidity pool is unsafe, I just don't want to risk losing a lot of Zing if the price were to suddenly go up a lot and not go back down.

On the other hand you may have people who are just looking to maximize their value which may mean either getting more Hive from the ecosystem or more usd. With the way the APR's are set up it's not a surprise that there may be many looking to double or triple their value by participating in project's claimdrops.


There's a balance between these two groups happening now and another one for those looking in without being able to participate due to not having hivepower, which is what this post was about (to remind myself not to side-track too much).

With the current distribution amount being a total of 320,000 Zing daily and 200,000 of that going to delegators you can tell that by having hivepower and forfeiting on the curation rewards APR (8.5%) by delegating it's the best way to earn Zing currently. In a little while, this distribution is going to decrease a little further, 40,000 of the daily distribution to POSH holders will be removed once it matches the hive amount @poshtoken has put into the project and another 10,000-20,000 of the liquidity provider rewards will instead go off-chain (yet to be decided fully). This means that distribution will soon drop to 280,000 Zing daily but that is also going to be temporary. Before I side-track again, though, let's think about what this means for Hive Power holders.


The main way to get Zing right now is to delegate HP, this is also one of the only ways the Zing project receives value back (through curation rewards), because from the Liquidity Pool on hive-engine we don't earn any fees (may be different on other chains). Without any NFTs out yet and trading occurring there we also don't receive any fees from there meaning we're currently quite limited to our income sources and on top of it all we have to rely on first earning the curation rewards which takes a while to then also have to power them down which takes even longer.

At current price of Zing of 0.02 hive per zing, it means that the token is currently being traded at 4x higher value than the base value of Zing from delegations. At 4M HP delegated to the project it means the project is earning around 915 hive per day, you take 200k of the daily zing distribution to delegators and divide it against 915 and you get ~0.005 hive/zing. This means that compared to the 8.5% you earn from curation rewards, you are currently earning ~34% APR instead which is reflected on the website:

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Now that we got to the main point of the post, what does this mean for Hive?

Those delegating their HP to @zingtoken are earning "Hive" at a much faster pace than those only curating with it "if" they instantly sell the Zing they're earning at current price. A price which aside from initially starting to trade and going down from ~0.1 hive to 0.012 at the lowest (I believe), has been holding value quite well as of late:

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This doesn't necessarily mean that if someone delegated 2 weeks ago when the price was at its lowest (~0.013 on the chart) has earned even more than current APR, because amount of delegations vary and you only earn an amount of Zing based on your delegation compared to the total amount which in and of itself has risen from 3.3M HP to 4M HP effectively lowering the amount of Zing you earn today compared to two weeks ago by ~20%.

Wow, there's so many variables and angles about this that I keep sidetracking still. Either way, for the project this is good as its receiving higher curation returns and for those delegating for a long time this is also good cause they can now not only take some profit to make up for the curation rewards they missed out on by delegating but in a way also get some "free Zing" after they've taken profit or take even more profit by selling more Zing.

Why would people buy if they could just earn Zing by delegating like most others are doing, you might ask. Well, not everyone has Hive Power and not everyone is interested in locking their Hive up for these returns. So to finally get to the point of my post:

It encourages people to stake hive even if it's mostly for selfish short term gain reasons.


This isn't all, though, similar to how HP that can be delegated to Zing is quite limited for many reasons, there's also a limit in value in our ecosystem of how much more HP could people here buy from the market to stake to delegate either for long term holding of zing or for short term profit taking.

This is why we're also planning on bridging out from Hive. We already have bridges set up which work well, we still have to include LP's and farms but we very much do intend on keeping it all inhouse, i.e. being able to do it on the website where outsiders will then also be able to figure out that there's other ways to earn the Zing they may be farming on ETH or BSC by providing Zing and the native token of the chains to earn some of the then diluted LP zing rewards. They may notice that compared to the daily 5k or 10k zing they're earning on their chain in the farms they could also take part in the HP delegation Zing, they may be interested in getting themselves some Hive, getting a Hive account, keychain, etc, and earning zing from both chains as I assume some hivers may do at that point as well when we have those LP's going. They may learn more about Hive, our platform, our powerdown timer for sure but it may get Hive into more eyes and wallets all through them having found out about this community-funded game they wanted to participate in early.

It'll definitely become interesting if, not only the price keeps staying up the way it has been lately and encouraging more delegations to be sent to @zingtoken to attempt to match it, but for buy pressure from outside on both Zing and Hive to compete for the limited distribution to delegations. That I think is quite a powerful way to give more value to Hive from a project being built on top of it.

All that said, HP delegation distribution may also limit the growth of Zing unnecessarily, while we don't have any plans on adjusting distribution at this time, except for the couple things mentioned earlier (POSH and Hive-engine LP), we may take a closer look in the future to make sure it's not stifling the project.


Either way, exciting times ahead, and for the gamers and collectors out there, it'll get even more exciting once Collection-based and Competitive Ranking-based Zing distribution starts among many more.

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I'm going to be honest. I'm still in a little shock as to how high the APRs still are, the amount of support from everyone here on hive and the value of the token still. It's a testament to the hard work and love and care you've shown to hive over the years. I fully believe this game will help grow hive and the want for hive as more players join the game, actively trade and overall interact with the hive blockchain through threads and blog posts. Huge potential here and I'm glad to see it. It honestly reminds me of Splinterlands early days but in this case super early since there's no game etc yet lol

Didn't splinterlands start with a pack sale before there was gameplay or am I misremembering it?

Either way, we really wanted to make sure there is a gameplay before we announced it and we are getting very close to an alpha!

Even then we wanted to make sure everything works before we directly sell anything and considered delegations as a "soft" launch where others may not lose much if things had gone south.

Could be, honestly I don't remember that was some years ago and I'm getting old now lol

Your launch structure sounds sound I can't tell you how many games I've bought assets in and then nothing comes of the game or there's no game. Alpha is going to be Amazing!!! Excited for it

and thanks for the kind words in your first comment btw, forgot to mention yesterday!

I agree with @bitcoinflood!
I'm excited to the release of the game, this was fresh air needed for our Hive community.

Great read, thanks.

HoloZing has definitely encouraged me to interact and invest more into the Hive ecosystem. Firstly it has started my education process in a way, that my previous Hive encounters have not.

I've been playing Splinterlands since late 2021 and my interaction with Hive has been very basic, limited using it to buy SPL assets and stake a little HP to facilitate rental volume. I'll be honest I really didn't understand much about HP, delegating or liquidity pools ( still much to learn), but HoloZing has encouraged me to stake over ten times the Hive that I had previously, to learn how to used BeeSwap and Liquidity pools and start following posts/communities on PeakD.

I am VERY interested in what you say about bridging out to other chains, this is something i want to learn more about, but I'm finding it tricky. If you offer the facility on your site, in as clean and reliable a manner that you have been doing everything else so far, I'm sure I will engage, learn and progress further.

Also, I'm looking forward to the game, so I'm holding on to my Zing :-)

P.S. Which chains are in the works ?, Solana ?

Currently just working on ETH and BSC but we don't want to limit ourselves in the future, although current limited devpower isn't letting us spend a lot of time exploring other chains. Slow and steady, though! Hopefully the starter sale is a success and we can scale things up!

Nice, BSC is interesting, this was my first route into SPL back in the day, in fact it was a major consideration as BNB was the crypto I was most familiar with. I avoided and still avoid ETH like the plague due to the gas fees ( Runi excepted :-) ). Star Atlas prompted me into Solana a couple of yrs ago, hence my question about Solana.

How will ETH work with such high fees ?, I mean every move is at least $10 , I know this acts as a "big money filter", but it does kind of close the door to many, what am I missing ?, I guess you have both fee levels covered with BSC in the mix for relatively low gas fees.

You just don't use ETH but those who only use ETH can.

I do think you're sitting on a potential winner here... for a lot of people, as well as for Hive. From what I have seen so far, it could be one of those that — like Splinterlands — has the potential to draw from outside our own borders of Hive.

I'm sidetracking a bit from your post, as well... sorry!

I don't know the details of the game's future at the functional level (and yes, I know actual gameplay is still down the road a bit), but one of the great strengths of Splinterlands was that it was — in essence — the first "gateway" to Hive where anybody, anywhere could get involved if they just had PayPal or a credit/debit card. Whereas I realize that is Web 2 style commerce, it seems to work because you're marketing and distributing a game and NFTs, not actual crypto. That people have to get a Hive account as part of the process... seems like a side effect.

for the gamers and collectors out there

Again, I hope you're casting your eyes far wider than just Hive here... thinking you might because of your dedication to developing POSH which seems to pull from both Web 2 and Web 3.

My other point here... I hope you plan to direct much of your efforts towards gameplay and directing the efforts (in terms of people's ROI) towards markets of the actual game NFTs. Get people from outside Hive to dump their fiat into buying "starter packs" (and whatever) that end up retaining and maximizing value in Hive.

In the meantime, though, it's exciting to watch this unfold!

=^..^=

Seeing the updates and support of Holozing, I can definitely agree on how it is beneficial to Hive. Creating bridges to other blockchains is an interesting idea, and hopefully it can entice more users from other chains as well. On a side note, seeing other people's holdings of Zing tokens, I don't even know if I have enough.

Don't look at mine. xD

This is why we're also planning on bridging out from Hive

wow this is bullish news. is this confirmed. if u do tho plz bridge to low gas fee networks lol

Yeah there'll be eth but other than that most likely cheap networks and layer 2s.

wow u guys gonna do it on main net eth D: i guess gotta let the whales make the splashes good to hear the rest will be cheap networks and layers 2s sounds great

There is no doubt I'm going to be among the gamer as well as the collector, I mean with the updates so far, holozing should be enticing to everyone by now, l wish I could delegate more to earn more Zing as the APR reduces even more now, so I could gather enough ZING before launching, I'm yet to try the liquidity option, I guess I've been reminded to do that today.

That's a great analysis. I have delegated some HPs and planning to delegate even more but would love to see the game and see if I may be able to play it 🤣 to earn more!

Holding POSH as well and soon contributing to liquidity on Hive-exchange to support the price

Definitely Zing will have a positive impact on the Hive ecosystem and maybe on the price of Hive itself. But what about people who have low HP, are there other ways they can participate in the Claim drop?

Well aside from posting and interacting in the community and hive in general as I mentioned at the end of the post there will be ways to earn by playing!

How can one play when they don't have any zing tokens?

You won't need zing tokens for basic playing, it's mostly to upgrade things and evolve. What you will need however is a healer and a creature to play among other items.

Really! That's cool, so does that mean that one can start playing without the healer and other creatures? If yes, does that mean it's possible for someone to earn to earn some Zing to the point when they can purchase the healers and other creatures?

Eventually that should be possible but will be quite restricted cause we don't want to give bots and farms an opening to abuse our ecosystem. We have some plans for trial accounts where we lease healers and creatures off the market to assign to them after the attempt to login with socials we can check are legit.

That's right, there shouldn't be any room for bots or farms to abuse the system.

Having them login with Socials is a brilliant idea, I'm looking forward to how everything plays out eventually 🥰.

Thank you so much for the enlightenment, I'm grateful 🙏

The APRs are good and all, but ultimately I want to grow my $ZING stack and play the game. I will probably sell some ZING when we get to start buying packs, because I feel like otherwise I will be a little short of money.

But yeah, Holozing is already giving Hive more value and as the project advances and grows, it will only get more valuable for the whole Blockchain.

I believe Holozing has the power to bring in a fair amount of outside people to our lovely chain.

Yeah I'm currently planning on adding more liquidity to the pool but then maybe withdrawing the Hive for starter packs.

Quite a lot of people are already talking about abolishing Hive Rewards and exchange it for 2nd level tokens. The way you and @wrestorgonline as well as @psyberx are handling the delegation rewards is a way into this direction.

Up to now I did not sell any of my earned ZING. All are staked and the Rewards from LP are reinvested. OK maybe I swapped a few to add the rest to the LP.

This is a great way for a project to finance itself and get known within the community.

Only drawback is the hughe inflation of the token. We will see what happens to the price, when the game starts, and the real usecase for ZING is clear.

On the example of @muterra MUT we can see, what happens if there is a lot of the token, but the game development takes to long. :-(

Whish you the best.

I wouldn't say it's a huge inflation, it's just unit bias there since you don't really know what things will cost in Zing.

Thats the point. It will be interesting to balance the ingame cost.

To low and not enough tokens are used / burned. Price will fall.
To much and a lot of "small' players will feel there engagement before was worthless because they cant buy the necessary things in game. Price may fall.

It depends on the possibility to earn ingame as well.
One of the challenges of p2e games is,that players are often investors and want to make more coins, than they spend. This difference needs to come from somewhere especially since the developers need to live from something as well.

I have not seen one hive game yet, mastering that challenge.

For sure it helps to have a great game, where you dont want to stop playing and with lovely art. Holozing looks like such a game.

We will see, what the future brings. I wish you all the best.

This difference needs to come from somewhere especially since the developers need to live from something as well.

Another thing to keep in mind with zing is that developers don't get paid in zing, they get hive from one of the many ways it'll earn them in the future compared to just curation rewards currently.

and yes, as for the rest it'll be a balancing game, we hope that it will be a mix of how well trained and rare your creatures, healer items and talents are and a mix of skill and ingame knowledge with a little bit of luck sprayed on top.

It'll definitely be an interesting challenge but we have quite the edge over other "web3" games in some aspects, imo.

It'll definitely be an interesting challenge but we have quite the edge over other "web3" games in some aspects, imo

Definetely. As long as new developments are comming and you can keep up the steady stream of news all will work out. Even though started last you may become the first pokemon like game going into BETA and afterwards live status.

The plans are that our "beta" will still be "live" but restricted. I.e. you won't be able to roam around and capture and fight creatures at your heart's content, but limited encounters daily to make sure everything's running smoothly while we work on the next steps. This should also give people who are already registered and have purchased a starter pack and healer a chance to get some training and capturing going while making use of their zing and trading and playing their way up to more.

The current value of ZING tokens and the ratio of liquid to staked ZING shows how solid this project is because even though there is no game yet there are good ideas, a development team composed of hiver with a good reputation, a founder who has shown his love for Hive over the years.
To me there are all the ingredients for a successful game and I hope Holozing can retrace the steps made by Splinterlands and then surpass them!
@tipu curate

but for buy pressure from outside on both Zing and Hive to compete for the limited distribution to delegations. That I think is quite a powerful way to give more value to Hive from a project being built on top of it.

Exactly, as I said in latest post, Gaming is possibly the biggest content / engagement segment, that can potentially take us to the next level.

Yeah, we definitely wanna showcase our community to outsiders as well once we're attempting to bring people in, them being able to post and engage will definitely be encouraged which can get them to try all the other hive dapps and games.

It has already brought up by others, but I am baffled that the price of $ZING holds its value so good. I delegated just in the beginning as I thought rewards would rapidly going down and as I don't have enough Hive Power yet to give an upvote of 0,02-$0,025, I want to accumulate as much Hive Power to do so. As I would like to be able to surpass the dust limit.

The second point is just my personal way of building my account. Then about the first point, I was definitely wrong. It would have been better to keep on delegating HP as it would have given me a higher return. It really shows how much trust the ecosystem has in Holozing, kudos for that!

Anyway, I agree that Holozing could (will!) influence the way forward on Hive! Sooner or later I'll buy in again :)

There were a lot of people that I talk to hoping for lower prices to buy back in.

Future will tell us if it would pay off or not... :)

Hehe this sounds really complicated! But I think everyone is going into this with both their eyes wide open and price might not be so much of a priority vs participation in the project! ;)

Going back to the title of post I think Zing not only could but anyway can bring value to Hive!

I participated in this project to earn this token and plan to hold with it for a long time and I feel blessed to be a part of it. thank you

I need to think about purchasing more HIVE and investing it in HP. In my opinion this is the best way to get ZING. I think the HIVE/ZING pool is still a risky option (only at a price of 0.01 it will be good).

Definitely, ZING will add value to Hive, and the engagement from the community will bring more members to join even from the outside of the Hive sphere.
Thanks for your article with an in-depth discussion on the future aspects of the Zing token.

There was a time when I was feeling reluctant to delegate some Hive to Zing but I’m glad I did that
It was a great move and I’m sure with time, the price of Zing will go up and we’d have more profit

This post frankly describes the interests that might be involved in those of us around the launch of the game. And it is as a mere conversation of the paths and different edges that exist. Everyone makes their own decisions with their money and seeks to make the most of it as they see fit. In my case, I want to support it through liquidity and marketing. For now, that's the best I can do (I wish we accountants could do more). Also, as an investment it is very attractive, so I am making some plans and calculations to increase my stake again. Thanks for this content

Your shilling got to me and I am absolutely considering this as investment advice.

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i do hope the bridging to other network will be successful. i think a lot of dev had tried bridging but failed like bsc to polygon network.

Hello, I am very interested in what you said. And actually, I am a German student, doing a research about HIVE and other decentralized social medias. And I would like to invite you to have an interview with me. I would just ask you some simple questions about HIVE and you can share your experiences about using other decentralized social medias. I would appreciate it if you can accept my invitation. Thank you very much! :)

Not really sure I have the time, have you looked into the Hive FAQ?

https://hive.blog/faq.html

Thank you so much for your reply. :)
Yes, I have. I know how HIVE works. But we really would like to invite someone to share personal opinions and experiences on HIVE. You And the data would be anonymous. You have been using HIVE for a long time with lots of followers, and you have your own unique opinions, so I thought you would be a good fit for our interview.
I am so sad that you don't have time. But it's okay. If you are willing to share, please contact me.

Great info.
I think it's time to update the rewards calendar to January. 😊

maybe next December! :p

Seeing the massive update been rolled out consistently shows how of great value this will add to the hive Blockchain and i can't wait for the alpha edition to actually be launched

I strongly believe that, this game is going to bring more value to the development of Hive as a whole. I wish I've more Hive power to delegated as I only delegate 1k HP. This is the high time to look for another means to get zing token.

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yes, a good direction for beginners in understanding how to manage hive and zing tokens, thank you for sharing

Am greatful I didn't miss this post. Building a project on hive that is building bi e growth is what they are looking for. HoloZing to the sky

This is massive, which account can I use to delegate, I want to do so.

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