wLEO Maya Listing + Cub Sunset

in LeoFinancelast month (edited)

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Every end is a new beginning.

The LEO community has voted to allow both CUB and POLYCUB holders to liquidate their assets at a fixed rate into LEO. This signals an overwhelming consensus to put these arguably failed protocols to pasture and focus on bigger and better things: naming consolidating all value back into the LEO brand and token.

Personally I have a lot of mixed feelings about this because I think DEFI has a real shot at sustainability if done correctly. I won't rehash any of my previous posts on this issue, but rest assured I have many opinions.

(The biggest one being only allocating yield to pairs that include the token being diluted)

Luckily both Thorchain and Maya seem to have gotten the memo.

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That being said...

It matters very little at this point because it is quite clear that a platform like LEO already has too much on its plate. We bit off more than we could chew during the last bull market, that much is obvious. There's simply no time to be messing about with DEFI on BSC and Polygon when we can go directly to the source and get a layer 1 DEX listing on Maya's wLEO/CACAO. This is a madly bullish listing and it will be happening in a matter of days (March 20th?). Soon soon soon sooner soonest.

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The vote to allow an escape from CUBs to LEO was pretty much unanimous. I voted yes and pretty much all the other big stakeholders did as well. There may only be 93 votes cast but there's no way this decision is getting overturned. It's happening, and that's great. Onward and upward.

The estimate is that something like a million LEO could be printed if everyone chooses to make the transition. I'm told that it isn't required to convert the tokens and that the platforms will be around a while longer, but why stick around on a dead chain when LEO is about to make some serious moves? Already the token price is up over x2 from the floor of 5 cents in anticipation of this listing. Nobody cares that a million LEO might get printed, and for good reason. It's pretty irrelevant given the overwhelming bullishness of the Maya listing.

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wLEO/CACAO

If I'm being honest I'm shocked that these guys are even willing to list wLEO. That's pretty insane for an up-and-coming dex that only has 9 listings so far. And look at the yields on the LPs... they are terrible. If wLEO can get some liquidity in there and some yield we'll stand out quite a bit from the other options.

I'm told the pool is going to be seeded with around $100k. So something like $50k CACAO and $50k wLEO. Because of how expensive it is to use ETH anyone that wants to interact with this pool is going to have to pay a pretty penny. I'm thinking about depositing $5k for the culture. But also I might wait for LEO to go up in value first because it almost certainly will. The amount of tokens a pool like this could gobble up is very significant.

So I should buy LEO? Number go up?

I did not say that, but I would say that if you already have LEO now would be the absolute worst time to sell it, to put it mildly. LEO has plenty of problems that I could be pointing out right now, but this is a bullish post so I will refrain from such party pooping. Maybe next time.

How does Hive benefit?

Well we're definitely going to need to increase the depth of liquidity between LEO and Hive (yield on Diesel pools maybe?) but this connection will allow Hive users to have a more direct path to permisionless L1 DEXes like Thorchain and Maya. Or maybe it won't technically be more direct than a centralized exchange but it will be permissionless which is always nice.

The same type of bridge scenario should play out where users can trade Hive into any L1 asset on these DEXes using LEO as a middle-man. The reverse is also true. Hopefully the LEO listing generates some attention from the Maya community that extends all the way into Hive itself.

The big difference here is that there won't be any centralized wrapped assets like we would see on EVM chains. That eliminates a lot of the underlying counterparty risk. It also allows us to do things like trade Hive and HiveEngine tokens directly into on-chain Bitcoin rather than something like bBTC which is arguably wrapped garbage that inherits far to many centralized risks. However it still remains unclear if all these fees will end up being actually worth it in the end.

ETH is very expensive

Yes, and that sucks... but there's also a silver lining here in that users on ETH are also pretty wealthy on aggregate, and if they commit to acquiring some wLEO they're gonna buy at least a couple thousand dollars at once if only because the fee might be something like $80. I hope ETH fees go down but no promises.

Because LEO actually has a product behind it and even ways to generate revenue (ads, upvotes, curation, blah blah blah) I think it's going to really stand out when compared to the small list of tokens that Maya has to offer. They might be a small community but the platform itself does seem to have a lot of promise.

Last I checked they had a market cap around Hive putting them somewhere around rank #400 or some such position. In fact sites like Coingecko don't even rank them yet because they have zero centralized exchange listings. After all why focus on exchange listings when you are the exchange? Lots of room for growth for everyone involved. Bull market vibes for sure.


Conclusion

I'm truly shocked that this listing is happening. I'm even more shocked that it's happening so quickly. Given my experience with Thorchain and the fact that Maya works in almost exactly the same way (fork of Thorchain) I'm feeling very optimistic about this entire situation. Not only for LEO but for Hive as well.

Make no mistake that the centralized pain points of LEO are arguably quite numerous and the risk is high. Being a liquidity provider on a DEX like Maya also comes with its own set of risks, so I would urge everyone to trend lightly on this and not allow FOMO to make any decisions on one's behalf.

All that being said the streamlining on LEO continues. The UI is getting cleaner and more user friendly. The bugs are being worked out. It looks like LEO is even storing JPEGS on their own servers now instead of imgur. Interoperability is key for open networks. Onward and upward.

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I think it's safe to admit now I hated being that one guy not buying into the CUB hype. DEFI in general at the time was all hype, in my eyes. It was shiny and people were blinded by the light. Rather than confidence, I observed boasting. I always seem to study the people rather than the projects in order to get a feel for something, especially if I don't fully understand it. They're the ones providing the information I need to use in order to learn.

Never bashed it. Wished everyone luck and stayed on the sidelines.

As for this new listing being a boost for LEO. I can see how it could be a boost for the token. For the products though, I don't see how it'll be a boost. In general this would attract interest in the token from people interested in the superficial elements of tokens. And we all know there's a lot of that happening in crypto.

I'm sure some will find the entrance and follow the trail of breadcrumbs to LEO products. Once they arrive it's unlikely they'll be something like a content creator, for instance.

More likely to be a content consumer however the incentives don't line up. Since they're profit driven they'll most likely take the road of delegations, auto votes, and so on. Basically earning consumer perks but at the same time being paid to not be around. And that's unfortunate since the ad revenue element would see a boost if those eyes were actually present. That's why quite a few weeks ago I mentioned to you at least it would be wise to "market" that ad revenue to consumers as well, since paying supporters with staked tokens browsing and upvoting content earn a share of that ad revenue. It's more like "profit sharing" than ad revenue. That consumer role is the most important but it's also the most neglected. Looking around Hive is all the proof one needs to back up that claim.

Other than that it's still good news. It's still progress and I certainly don't frown upon these new developments. It's actually nice to see.

I don't see how it'll be a boost

Ah well liquidity is one of the things this ecosystem is lacking especially with all the exchange delistings and regulatory overreach. I think it's weird to say it's purely speculative when liquidity and interoperability is an absolute requirement for every single network. But also it makes perfect sense that it could devolve into a number-go-up situation.

Since they're profit driven they'll most likely take the road of delegations, auto votes, and so on

Statistically this is no different than anyone else that gets onboarded.
People are greedy.
Count on it.
There is no secret source for onboarding that isn't rooted in greed.
It's on the Hive ecosystem to put users to work; not up to the user to bend over backwards doing something they don't want to do.

As always your criticisms are noted and valid.
It's certainly a situation we should be keeping tabs on.

"There is no secret source for onboarding that isn't rooted in greed."

I came here for free speech. I've never traded one token for fiat since I've been here, so it's demonstrable I didn't come here for money. As censorship and fake news become more prevalent and deadly, the market for free speech is growing. I think more and more people are searching for a place where they can learn and discuss things they have an existential need to know, because life is more valuable than money to them.

People die from censorship all the time. John Barnett was found shot in the head the day before he was supposed to testify about lax Boeing manufacturing standards. Lots of people have died because they didn't learn things that were censored, too. Folks tend to be more committed to things they cannot live without than to mere tokens, IME.

I think you're ignoring the best source of onboarding that exists.

I'm not ignoring anything, my guy.

You are an extreme outlier.
Statistical analysis will always trend toward the mid-curve.


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Absolutes and statistics don't mix.

Statistics are derived from absolutes.

In the same way dreams are derived from the real world.

Fear not. I don't write a comment then expect to see a trend reversal immediately afterwards. If that were the case this place would have been booming years ago... lol I joke.

I did see a comment today though while browsing Hive that I'm not used to seeing. It went something like, "My friend introduced me to Vibes and I've been hooked on this site ever since." Their activity was all consumption.

I hope to see more of that. These people do exist. And so do the ones you mentioned. I get it.

Impressive.

"People are greedy." They want more and more entertainment. Then their needs are converted into greed and those other platforms generate billions for themselves.

That's been going on since the printing press, and probably even sooner. Not sure what they charged at the gates to the Roman Coliseum.

I've known for a long time trying to point out what I see as a clear benefit goes against how things "worked" for thousands of years. New concepts are like that though. People would throw horse shit at cars...

Have a good one dude.

Thanks for the info about CUB and POLYcub being able to be liquidated to LEO, I had not heard that.

Are you on the Maya Discord? https://discord.gg/mayaprotocol

I have been there for many months and I have only seen one mention of wLEO.

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I clicked the 3 emoji reactions to add some support for us. Might be good for some of us to be in their Discord to see what's happening and to answer questions about LEO and HIVE, or simply support related posts with emoji reactions. 👍

It was me, who wrote this to Maya Prostocol discord... :-) Thanks for your notice ;-).

Yes, it was you who wrote that post on the Maya Discord! I covered your name for privacy reasons. But I see you are okay with saying you were the author so I can verify that in fact you are. Thanks for giving visibility to the wLEO liquidity pair. 😃👍

I haven't been there yet I'll check it out.

I'm glad you are bullish when it comes to the Maya listing. Now we just need to cultivate some hardcore leo users.

The beauty of Maya Protocol is that it has deep RUNE/Cacao liquidity. A pool on Maya opens doors to THORChain pools (as well as ChainFlip pools if you use El Dorado Market).

Yeah I bought $1000 worth of CACAO with Rune it was shockingly easy.

I'm going to have to wait and see just how many Leo I end up with. That conversion they are talking about has me a bit confused, but I think my count is going to be fairly low. The new options with MAYA are exciting though!

Yeah it's a bit unclear.

Inleo will bring millions on new users to hive blockchain indirectly that what I believe

I also don't have words to thank you for your continues support and encouragement

I am bullish and i wrote this post, and put a link to your post in it.
Please read and provide feedback.
It's brief-ish, lots of pictures and sentences to keep it moving, except some parts needed explanation.
I would really like to know if my point of view is correct.
Thanks
https://inleo.io/publish?edit=the-promise-of-cryptocurrency-is-finally-being-fulfilled

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To support your work, I also upvoted your post!

The talk about RUNE has been here and there these days and it seem to be a very promising one

I'd sure like to see a route to Rune develop for Hive. It would be immensely valuable to the community on Hive.

Thanks!

The Loe listing on Maya exchange will spread positive effect to the hive network at large. Let's just expect everything to play out is fine. Everyone is nervous at this point yet approaching with caution is still key when investing.

Congratulations to Leo for the advances it is making.

Hi @edicted
It was nice to hear your voice on the X Spaces.
I now have a voice to connect to a name.

It will be interesting to see you in more spaces verbalizing explanations and answering questions.

I am currently trying to move Leo to WLEO, but the wLEO.io bridge is under repair.

I looked into buying it on Uniswap and it was ten cents, nearly two cents above the Leo price at the time. Plus ETH gas fees are crazy on my Monday mornings.

I will try again tonight.

As for this article, I have bittersweet feelings about Cubfinance. I literally built two businesses on it providing Leo Community members an easy path to invest in Cubfinance. I then expanded it when Polycub launched.

It was a good learning experience, and at one time there was over 90, 000 Leo invested from the community. It ran for two years, and I have some regrets about the time I sunk into it. But you gotta learn from your mistakes and move on.