Looking for the wet spot

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In a few hours, we will get a visit from a guy to check the house for moisture, again. He used a really great tool last time (before we bought the house) that found nothing - perhaps this time he should use the tried and true method of, rolling it in flour and looking for the wet spot. I am really hoping there is nothing too serious though, but it looks like we are going to have to open up the edges of the house and do some additional work to the drainage system. The previous owners will be here as well, as they are responsible for some aspects of the house for 5 years, water damage and moisture being one of them.

We have already eaten well into our budget and are now in minus, so I will have to find some extra income from somewhere over the next six months as the final bills will roll in. My plan was to sell my body down by the docks, but we live inland. My back up plan is to get a little more work if I can as well as save, as in the first year we are paying interest only on the loan, something that we weren't going to do originally, but since the Corona thing happened just after, I am glad we did. We also put a collar on the interest rates for 10 years, which will "protect us" if they shoot up.

While we have gone over budget, I think that we have so far managed to accomplish what we set out to do with most of the major aspects being taken care of with heating, windows, bathroom, attics, exterior painting and entrance getting done. The interior surfaces are going to be a month by month expense, where we go through each room buying what we need as we go. I am hoping that we will be able to get a fair amount done upstairs by autumn so we can "move in" and start on the surfaces downstairs. Our timeline is tight as we have til January to raise the evaluation of the property significantly to roll the loans together, but I am thinking that we might have been able to do a fair amount of it already. The surfaces will be a pretty big factor however, as looks matter.

It is funny that people say how "looks don't matter" but in everything material we care about the looks of things and their design. Sure, people might mean it in respect to people, but I think that psychologically, we don't make the distinction when we evaluate - what people might forget however is that people can have very different preferences in what they find attractive and even if there are averages, there are always outliers. Looks matter to each of us, but what looks matter can differ greatly.

For the most part so far, the looks of our home hasn't changed too much yet other than the windows and the garden being far neater, but in time I am hoping that it will be relatively unrecognizable. The previous owners let a lot of little things slide and didn't "finish" much of what they started well, meaning that over time, a lot of things need to be done, but this gives us room to grow our style and meld it into the house.

When we were looking (which wasn't meant to be actually looking) we saw a house similar that was finished and move in ready - also far more expensive. While my wife liked it, I was far more critical as it would have meant buying someone else's style and paying a premium for it. I expect that when we get this one to about the same degree of finish, we will have spent about 60,000€ less than the purchase price of the other and we will have something that we own from start to finish from a design perspective. The cost is convenience.

It is very inconvenient to renovate old homes as there are always surprises and pretty much everything has to be made to order. There is the dealing with tradespeople, the shopping around for pieces that fit and of course the sense that money is constantly heading out, which it is. However, if we had bought the other finished house, the premium would mean that all the money plus some, would be heading out all at the same time. Weirdly, this can feel like less is being paid as one is paying a single mortgage monthly, instead of the influx of bills from contractors in eye-watering amounts.

The visibility of the flow of money impacts on how we feel about and use money. For example, I believe that going to cards made us spend more as we lost the sense of the feel for money, we no longer filled our wallets with cash and no longer saw it empty through our fingers. Then eCommerce on the internet changed the visibility again, as did the relatively recent proximity card purchases. The less we see the flow, the less contact we have with money, the less awareness we have over it and that means, the less attention we are paying. I think that crypto people might have a better sense of the value of money as they spend more time looking at its flow, even though what they hold is digital and weightless.

Being able to see where things come from and where it goes physically is a far greater lesson than the conceptualization of it, and this is even more the case when what is being conceptualized is a concept, like the value of money. Technology has taken away much of our view of money, so it is no surprise that people are losing touch with the value of it - like children who haven't had to work for it. Because of our desire for convenience, it means that like the finished house, everything can be bought based on the looks, without the recognition of the premium paid for it. The flow of money out can be large, even though the value of what is purchased might not be worth it.

The other option we looked at was buying a new house (not that we wanted to) which is very, very convenient and expensive for what one gets, but doesn't factor in that all of the new houses being the same, that there are small yards, no storage space and the largest factor, no room to add value to the house because it is already done, finished. All a person can do is decorate to differentiate.

But looks matter and people have their preferences and hold ideas about what has value to them. Some people will be worried about the surprises of an old house so pay a premium to have certainty with a new - even if they could renew an old house for less and add value to it for all of those people who prefer to buy ready.

The inspector will be here soon and this is a big house, so I hope he will bring enough flour.

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Damn man. The price of flour has gone way up here due to CV related shortages! More expense :)

We have already eaten well into our budget and are now in minus, so I will have to find some extra income from somewhere over the next six months as the final bills will roll in.

I had some skills I could trade. One really great contractor had a pickup project that I did a LOT of work on. Motor, suspension, transmission. He could look at his pickup every day when he came to my house to do work... It was a great trade. It costs me way less to build a motor than he could buy it for and both of us won out of the deal. Last I heard he was still driving that pickup.

I think locking fiat interest is a really, really good choice. I don't know how Finland responded but the US floated enough 'new money' to raise the world's interest a couple of points. Those bills WILL come due...

I find myself watching your struggles and stresses with nostalgia. In truth, I enjoyed the 'game' as much as the result. At least that is my perspective 20 years removed 😂

Damn man. The price of flour has gone way up here due to CV related shortages! More expense :)

Just wait until the bread bowl can't grow due to environmental changes..

I wish I had tradeable skills for some of this work - but no one wants IT service training :D

I think locking fiat interest is a really, really good choice. I don't know how Finland responded but the US floated enough 'new money' to raise the world's interest a couple of points. Those bills WILL come due...

This is what I figure. Our deal is only slightly more "expensive" but the interest rates are almost non-existent anyway at this point. ten years is a long time though and I think a lot will happen. Being capped at a low rate is a little insurance against the current stupidity.

In truth, I enjoyed the 'game' as much as the result.

I already know this in myself - my wife might not see it this way though :D

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Rolling it on the flour and looking for the wet spots-- sounds like a fun job to me. Wish I could do something like that for a living....lol.

My plan was to sell my body down by the docks, but we live inland.

Lol, sell body, buy a villa!

Also, you mentioned that you have gone over the budget. Well, I rebuilt my old house two years ago, instead of buying new one. Started with a small budget. That I only need two more rooms for more space. When I was done, I have already spent 4 times the initial amount. Minus the interiors/furniture.

Guess, we over-shoot the budget when it comes to buying/renovating the house.


Lol, and you said crypto people have more sense of money! I feel exactly opposite.

I have been playing Dcity game for a week now. I have already spent about 1500$ something over there, or more.

Spending 1500$ in life, I would think 10 times before doing something like that. Also, I was trading for 2-3 years, And made and blew up more than $100k trading bitcoins and altcoins. Lol, could never do that in real life money.

I tried trading stock this year. Lost almost $2000 and I was done!

In crypto, money comes too easy and fast- but goes out faster.

Anyways, congrats for the new house. Hope you are settling in well.

It is common to overshoot the budget, but we have had some unexpected increases in quotes on some things, that we thought were pretty solid. However, overall, we are doing "okay" with it.

Are you happy with your house now?

Lol, and you said crypto people have more sense of money! I feel exactly opposite.

Sense of - not sense with - Crypto people are crazy :)

I tried trading stock this year. Lost almost $2000 and I was done!

Sounds like what I would be like if trading stock. I don't have 2000 to spend on the old sytem though :D

lol, me too. The reason I stopped trading stocks was because of how stock people are.

They are kind of different, don't want to teach anyone what's going on or what to do.

I was in crypto for two years and learned so much from random cartoon character tweets.

In stocks, there are these people in suits, they always discourage people...kind of felt toxic in that community. So stopped.

After all, life is all about fun! right.

Btw, extremely happy with my renovated house.

Just want to show you a pic.

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Nothing big or crazy....just a small house in a semi developed Indian state. lol...

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hi @tarazkp, if there is one piece of advice I offer about dealing with tradespeople is and that's never let them get ahead in payment to what there working on, .. or chances are you'll be chasing them to turn up. I make sure those T's and C's are made clear upfront. if they don't like it they can sling their hook, I look elsewhere. Sadly I can't offer any advice on selling your body down by the docks, I too live inland. 😄

For the major stuff, we have signed contracts with time limits and cost parameters where they have to pay us if it goes over. They have worked well so far :)

Sadly I can't offer any advice on selling your body down by the docks, I too live inland

It definitely isn't where the money is made.

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Lol. I think renovating anything old not just houses is more often than not more expensive than just getting a new one. But at least you get to make all the decisions and changes to your own taste and style. Everything will ne exactly as you want it. All yours. Wish you the best on this project. It feels quite tasking.

It depends how you look at it here.
For example (just giving average prices of what we looked at)

one half of a new duplex (two houses together) with a living area of 100m2, and a tiny yard was 310,000€.
The finished house (still needed work) 180m2 living plus a basement and garage and land - 390,000
A place like ours is 200m2 living + 100m2 basement, own land and is about 240,000-260,000 + 70-100,000 for renovation.

The new one is easy, but doesn't have much freedom and because it is shared, has additional shared costs. You also can't add value to it as it is already finished.

If our house was newly built - it would cost us around 400-600K.

Oh wow. I see that now. Thank you

Sounds like you are going to have a flour party lol. I think that not being in direct contact with the money is indeed something which contributes to the easy laid back style of modern spending. We know the cash is there, take a little bit of here, take a little bit from there. It is easier to let go to something which is not palpable.

Here in Romania many people prefer to buy land and build it from scratch, after their own project. No matter how you take it, a house adventure is pricy. But long term, for a family, it is worth it.

We know the cash is there, take a little bit of here, take a little bit from there.

And even if it isn't there, there is a line of credit all too willing to be extended.

Here in Romania many people prefer to buy land and build it from scratch, after their own project.

Here too, but land is weirdly expensive and ludicrous in some areas and building is crazy expensive, even for kit homes.

We looked at a block half the size of the one we are on and a normal house package and it would have been about 400K together. We will be well under that when we finish, have a block and house both twice the size and a home that is unique. Regardless though, having a place of our own is great :)

Oh my 400 k is huge. It is way better the way you are doing it. I agree, it must be a great feeling to have your own place

Yep, 400K is huge, at least for us at this time. I am hoping that the value of our place will increase toward that over the next few years, even though we aren't looking to sell.

I am sure it will increase and that you made a good choice. A great place for a great family, what could you wish more😊

I think one of the best reasons for a home that needs renovation/updating that can not be over looked is the sense of accomplishment at bringing new life to an older property. Another benefit is that when you have to put your blood, sweat, tears and money into something especially a house, you are going to naturally learn more about the upkeep process and are less likely to ignore the small things that can become big things later down the road.

I like the idea of repurposing and evolving the old into something useful.

you are going to naturally learn more about the upkeep process and are less likely to ignore the small things that can become big things later down the road.

This is a huge personal advantage for me in this case, as Finland handles things differently than Australia, especially for the cold times. Everything has to be dug in a lot deeper for starters. The systems they use are unfamiliar to me, so it is good that as we go I am learning a loit, which is also why I like it when the tradespeople talk to me.

Selling the body by the docks is one way as an old house does seem to be a bottomless pit. It is worthwhile once it is done though and the pain does wear off. Houses always have a cost as regular maintenance is a must and why you need to do it properly now as it will save you a fortune long term. Lets hope you don't have too many problems like this along the way.

In Finland, apartments have a regular maintenance cost in body corporate and that can be very high. A lot of people are paying the same as us for 1/3 the size apartment, and a body corporate charge half as large as our mortgage on top - it is crazy.

That is one of the reasons I don't really like gated communities as there are extras. The security costs get shared,gardening and general maintenance in a corporate levy. These are not cheap and have to be calculated in when buying something on top of your normal bills each month. Where we are we have gated security with guards which we all chip in. Not everyone pays but it is a small price to pay that adds huge value on every property by just having it.

I think it is crazy that gated communities even have to exist - but that is a different conversation altogether.

It'll be interesting to hear what the previous owners think of the changes.

I am interested too. I think that 6 months from now, the place will be altogether different - perhaps we will invite them back, depending on how the inspection goes :)