There will be Fire

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We are only just getting into this economic crisis and already, there is no chill.

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In France, there is a "controversial" (very obvious) plan to increase the minimum retirement age from 62 to 64 over the next seven years in a response to what is essentially the real economic crisis - an aging population. As in order to keep the pension train running a little longer, more money needs to be injected into the system, which isn't happening.

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Scenes from France

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There are many reasons that money isn't coming, with one of them being less young people working compared to the past. But, that is only part of the story, because things like automation are also having an impact on employment and, the ability for higher salaries, as efficiencies are sought to drive profits and cut down on staff. On top of this, industries themselves are changing the way they operate, which heavily impacts tax revenue.

In the past, there was a deal between governments and corporations, that the governments would provide skilled labor to the corporations that could work, earn and be farmed for tax - and the corporations would employ them. This was a win-win situation, as not only didn't it mean that companies didn't have to do the training, they would also get various protections for their industries, as well as a lower tax percentage on their own earnings, leaving more going to the shareholders in the form of profits and dividends. The employees themselves would pay a higher tax and fund the education system to provide the next round of skilled labor to enter the market.

The deal has been off for a while.

Governments only have access to the tax money collected nationally, and because of the quest for efficiency for profit maximization, companies have been increasingly finding ways to circumvent the local system. This itself comes in many forms, from the creative accounting process for how tax is paid, to the leveraging of cheaper labor in off-shore countries to lower production costs. But whatever it is, ultimately, it means the governments have access to less income from the businesses, and there are less people working locally to pay more tax. This means that more tax has to be extracted per person.

Once upon a time, royalty would wage war in order to take more land, but the power wasn't through the land itself, it was through the "acquisition" of peasants (taxpayers) who would work that land and give a cut to the royals to keep them safe. Effectively, it was a protection racket, like a mafia would run, expanding their kingdom to take in larger volumes.

However, with an aging population driven by lower birthrates, the volume is decreasing, but the top end age brackets require care, as after all, they have paid their dues to the system and are "entitled" to it by law - even though laws change and there is no such thing as a guarantee. But, with a business and tax system that is extracting more than the value it is adding, it is a losing game for the pension systems that rely on those inputs.

There is also talk of bringing in more foreign labor to fill the gaps in the workplace, but that only covers a part of the problem, because even if those gaps are filled, they will largely be working in companies that are using them as a mechanism to generate value, but extract that value out through the conduits for profit maximization anyway. So, it just slows down the gap formation, but doesn't stop or reverse it.

The tax system is broken in many ways, because it has been designed to take advantage of some over others and to encourage passive earnings and increased earnings on wealth. This means the more you have, the less you pay and when that goes into corporate finance that has the ability to maximize through financial tools average people don't have access to, it encourages tax minimization, no matter the cost exacted locally. And, the corporations don't die, so they can keep storing wealth, never having to pay an inheritance.

While I won't argue for a healthy tax system, if there was for example, a flat rate tax applied at all earning points and transaction transparency, there would be an inability to hide earnings through creative accounting. For example, if earnings are made in Country A, the tax has to be paid in Country A, not moved to Country B that has a lower rate. And, like it has been discussed before, automation like robotics, should pay tax into pension funds to cover the people it replaces.

Ultimately though, the tax system as it stands is doomed, because it is not able to track the transactions of the corporations accurately enough across the globalized networks. This means that they will have to take their cut from those they can track, which are the people in the country who have no choice in what happens, other than taking to the streets in protest. Eventually, conditions become untenable and society will descend into chaos and violence.

And this is already starting.

I suspect at the moment however, that a lot of the protests are not quite what they seem, where while there might be a cause behind it, there is more of a hooliganism element to it, driven by mob mentality. It would be interesting to see for example a breakdown of the demographic information of protesters, seeing what kinds of backgrounds they have and whether they themselves are adding more to society than they are taking. If they were in a small community that provided for each other, would they be net contributing members, or net cost? This is not a judgement or stereotype of what is going on in France at the moment, but I am interested in these kinds of metrics, even though the information isn't available.

And perhaps it would be in a future where all business activity is tracked and the appropriate tax rates are paid locally, because that would also uncover other value metrics too, highlighting what individuals and groups of society are value-adding, and which are not. This sounds quite dystopian, doesn't it?

And perhaps that is my point with a lot of these kinds of discussions. It seems that no matter what happens, a society filled with authoritarian control or decentralized chaos, dystopia might be the only outcome. We can go to work each day, riot in the streets, or stay at home. But one way or another, there will be a tax on our activity , whether it be on our income, or in the degradation of our wellbeing. We are;

The Walking Dead.

Taraz
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The inevitability of death and taxes apparently does not apply to corporate entities does it?

From the outside, the arms race for personal wealth makes sense when starting out your career and family. Work hard, earn a living and provide a lifestyle for your family. Then, secure a future with investments and assets which can pay dividends. What is disturbing is how the end goal disappears, people get caught up in the game and we become dragons trying endlessly to increase the treasure hoard for recognition, acclaim, and general principal of success.

I am not for a government state or a progressive tax per se but there has to be some sort of ceiling on personal earnings. You amass a certain amount in wealth and top out. The rest is given to a benevolent establishment that takes care of others (needs not wants) and programs to help people build their personal wealth. The status and reputation will come from achieving that level and the extra you are providing back into the system to take care of others.

Pretty much impossible due to the dragons on their boards now and the fact that humans are involved. Not as easy as all that either but I am trying to do that for myself, family and helping the community.

We need more of a movement than a tax reform and the powers that be bloated and needing more will do everything in their power to divide and put us against each other in their grifting game.

Frustrating when you obsess over things that you can’t control. I won’t let ghat stop me from doing the things I can control and helping others along the way even if my hoard is small.

The inevitability of death and taxes apparently does not apply to corporate entities does it?

Nope. Most of the big banks are well over a hundred years old.

What is disturbing is how the end goal disappears, people get caught up in the game and we become dragons trying endlessly to increase the treasure hoard for recognition, acclaim, and general principal of success.

This is a nice way to put it. I was talking with a friend tonight who is 54 and in her words 2hardly working" now. She isn't rich, but comfortable and has decided for the time being at least, she will be fine. Instead of work, she donates her time and support to women shelters. Not a bad life.

We need more of a movement than a tax reform

Indeed. we need a completely new economic mindset and tools that can't be commandeered by individuals and small groups with enough power to do so.

That is a tough bandage to tear off and the old guard will die to keep our hands off.

Agree on the whole flat tax debacle. For example here in the U.S. just the savings in IRS agents and Tax accountant requirements alone would result in billions of dollars in savings. Let alone the billions if not trillions of dollars in additional taxes paid by those businesses and corporations that find ways to weasel out of their fair taxes today.

Here in the U.S. "Early" retirement can happen at age 62, but this results in a 30% benefit reduction. "Full" retirement happens at age 67, and the gov then dangles a carrot for those that delay to "Late" retirement at age 70 are able to boost their payments by 24%.

Most are not able to afford much on the amount of fixed income paid out unless they have planned well and paid off their house, vehicles, etc. and only need food and utilities. Interesting times indeed.

just the savings in IRS agents and Tax accountant requirements alone would result in billions of dollars in savings

Absolutely. Rather than efficiencies for profits, there should be efficiencies for improvements.

Let alone the billions if not trillions of dollars in additional taxes paid by those businesses and corporations that find ways to weasel out of their fair taxes today.

And once there is visibility on this, what will the consumers do to those companies?

The ages are similar in Finland, though it is 64-68 and I think it is 70 for the additional bonus. And similarly, the pension doesn't cover much, but society itself is pretty well organized here in terms of social services.

Sometimes I feel like there is a population control and cleanup in the progress. I mean if we look around we had the virus attack, we have one war in the work, we have AI taking over jobs, we have flood, earthquake in regular intervals and also weather affecting. On the top of that protests and the regular small issues ending up lives of people. It seems like there is some remote control out there and people are paying the price for some persons mindgame. Pension issues are just the beginning.

Population control is one thing, but workers are still needed to empty bedpans at the hospitals - for now. But, far fewer young people are having kids, instead choosing to live "their best life" ... protesting on the streets.

In France, there is a "controversial" (very obvious) plan to increase the minimum retirement age from 62 to 64

Another advantage of Hive is that people can work for as long as they want. I would probably not retire from hive even if I would become a millionaire. I would just blog from yacht/ private island...

This is true. It also doesn't have any set hours or expectations on how much work need be done - it is up to the creator :)

Nice writing, as always. France has a particular culture of street protests. My feeling is that a (very thin) majority of French realize that their pension system cannot go on unreformed. I'm surprised though at how badly it has been explained though (I'm listening to French radio in the car and reading a bit of French press from time to time). Basically people have been left to try to make sense of it for themselves and basic financial education is very low in France - understanding of the basics of economics is generally lower than in Anglo Saxon cultures

I reckon that economic/ financial literacy is poor in the majority of the world, especially at the macro level. Then, the ability to see all the interconnected dependencies and interactions is almost entirely lacking, which makes it an easy system to game, for those who understand it. Knowledge is power, only when it is used - but most people don't even know that.

They are endemic corruption policies that do not promote change in their societies and teach their citizens through fear, such is the case in my country Mr. Taraz.

Governments are never going to change. Businesses are never going to change. It is up to us.

In my country, about 2.25 million people (starting from age 43) will be retired in April due to the law of victims of delayed pension age. The law, which was amended in 1999, was changed this year and it was obviously done for the upcoming election. Now, we will have to work more and retire later to pay their pensions.

All these government activities are ways to take power in one way or another, by using the value of the future to do so.

Lol, the zombie apocalypse will indeed just be all the old people who are having to work till they drop dead

It is why zombies walk so slowly, rambling incoherently. They are just bitter old people, trying to get help to use online banking.

Shaking their phones angirly at people shouting I dont want to use face recognition!

I have heard that they are talking about making a change like this in the US as well. I'm not really sure how I feel about it. Sure it will be not great for some people, but I think I would be okay. Technically, I can retire with a pension when I am 50, so that retirement age of 62 doesn't really make sense to me anyway. Plus I have my own investments too, so on some level, I think I would be okay. Who knows though.

The problem is that in 25 years from now when I can retire, it will be 35 years! :D

Haha, doesn't that about figure!

I've basically given up on the hope that these retirement funds will still be solvent and functioning in 25 years when it is my time to collect. My hope is that there will be enough available for my parents to live out their retirement comfortably and my generationwill be left to fend for themselves.

They are both reaching 70 this year. My mom has 2 pensions: a 20yr nurse and 20yr school account, and she still works part-time to stay busy. My father has no plans of slowing down to my knowledge, as he very much enjoys the friendships and office interaction of working as a real estate attorney for commercial clients and commanding $500+/hr in fees.

I've never felt that same calling of duty to work. Everytime I save up enough money, I like to take a break from the work race and enjoy experiences while I'm still young. I may be living frugally and carefully, but I can at least do them mostly on my own terms. I don't really count on my government for much these days, as that's what I've grown accustomed to in the US. But maybe there is hope for me yet in finding a new home somewhere overseas.

I've basically given up on the hope that these retirement funds will still be solvent and functioning in 25 years when it is my time to collect.

Me too. In Finland, education is free and people put faith it will always be so - I expect I will have to cover my daughter's university, if she goes.

Sounds like your parents will be fine. Also, why stop working if still good at and enjoying it? Do painters and musicians have to stop?

Too many governments are following in the footsteps of the US, not because they should, but because it is how individuals can maximize their wealth at the expense of others. Is that the "The American dream"?

For my family, and I'm only a 2nd generation American, the dream was to escape the religious persecution going on in Eastern Europe. I think for my parents, it was to start a family. To be honest, I don't really have American dreams... in fact, I dream of leaving America!

Don't you find it interesting that the people who have to escape persecution, tend to be able to make a better life elsewhere and they are likely a social and economic loss to where they were persecuted?

It was my grandfather skill as a pianist and bridge player that kept him in good favor with command at a Russian labor camp. Smuggled out thru Vienna.

Came to New York City and bought as much as he could with whatever they could scrap around from friends n family in Switzerland 🇨🇭 Kept playing piano on the daily, had a taste for classy old ragtime beats.

Don't even get me start on how grandma with blonde hair, blue eyes, and German skills allowed her to use fake papers and dip out too. And now here I am and half this country basically side with these bad guys.

I see serious trouble ahead as this is never going to end well. What has never made sense is how these corporations can get better tax benefits by choosing a certain country. We have seen it with Google and Apple which is definitely not right yet still legal.

Still legal and encouraged. If we could see all the financial transactions, what kinds of kickbacks would we discover?

Young people don't want to work, I don't know, maybe we have been made by another generation and raised in another context, at the point of bullets and hunger, that's why we adore work, we are that generation that is in limbo.

well the waking dead I haven't seen it yet and I don't think I will as soon as I've seen Resident Evil and I think it's in the same vein.

I am worried when they start taxing our precious crypto assets since they will do many ways to extract value from where they have not invested anything, imagine that it is crypto in our hive case, salary, royalties, dividends, capital gain we have already discussed where everything will be taxed what we get here in our chain well, only time will tell.

Best regard.

They will tax everything they can get their hands on.

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Crazy times we are living in. This is the sign of late stage capitalism.

Depressing.

The social security and pension system is a huge issue in a ton of places. From what I see, I think the issue is that they could always delay things around 2 years from now. So the people might never get the pensions that they have been feeding into the system all these years.

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Woah! The similarity of the scenes between The Walking Dead and France is prophetic. 😆

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