The downsides of living in such an amazing place like I do

in #life4 years ago

I am very happy that I moved to Vietnam, and more specifically to the beach city of Da Nang. It is a truly epic place with a damn near perfect beach with the most spectacular perfect near white sand that is such a rarity in the world. I mean, the sand it just perfect.


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Also, while the beach is very popular it seems to only attract the locals in the very early hours of the morning and in the evening just before sundown. This might seem strange to all of the westerners out there but one thing I have definitely noticed about a majority of Vietnamese people is a strong desire to stay out of the sun at all costs. This was also true in Thailand.

During the day, the beaches are damn near empty all the time

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The evenings are a different story and for the most part I can't imagine a place I would rather not be than on a beach with 10,000 people all vying to get in the water. I, and almost everyone else that i know that lives here, stays away from the beach altogether during these hours.

So that all sounds vunderbar doesn't it? I know a lot of people that are very jealous of the fact that I get to live here, but it isn't all fantastic and I am going to detail the things that are pretty awful about living here because every place has a flip side, right?

Traffic is insane and relentless

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I quite enjoy getting around by bicycle: When I lived in Chiang Mai 5 months ago it was my primary method of getting around even though I did also own a scooter and taxis cost next to nothing. It was a wonderful way to get some exercise and also see some things that you probably wouldn't have noticed if you were whizzing by on your motorbike.

In Da Nang this is a pretty stressful situation though because traffic never stops until you go down some allyway that has nothing in it anyway. The intersections don't have stop signs for anyone and even if they did I don't think anyone would stop anyway. There seems to be this system of whoever honks their horn first gets to proceed. I don't see many accidents so this system does appear to work but on a bicycle, you have no horn and no one would care if you did. So mostly I don't enjoy riding my bicycle here, which is a damn shame.

Booze

I am a borderline alcoholic... or a functioning one. I have lived here since February 22nd and there has been only 1 day that I didn't drink. Most of them, I got drunk.


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Every day I tell myself that I am not going to drink but honestly, the only way I can accomplish this is to stay away from everyone that I know and that is a shame because they are fun people. I don't know anyone that doesn't drink but that is my own fault.

It would be ludicrous for me to blame this situation on Da Nang because no one is making me drink the beer but the fact that there are exactly zero restrictions on when you can purchase alcohol (24 hour bars are allowed and do exist) and that even in a bar a bottle of suds is less than a dollar (my happy hour spot features 2 beers for $1) and you have a situation that is difficult for me to resist.

It's pretty f**king dirty here

There doesn't seem to be much emphasis placed on sanitation or proper waste disposal anywhere in the city. When I take my dog for a walk I don't bring a plastic bag with me to pick up her doo doo because I know that i will encounter 20 discarded bags on the ground during our walk to her preferred poopy spot.

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The thing that I dont understand about this situation is that unlike Thailand, there are bins or trash cans all over the place. I have never been anywhere in this area where I was more than say 20 meters from a bin so I really don't understand why there is trash literally everywhere. It is very common to see groups of construction workers sitting somewhere for lunch and when they get up, everyone just leaves the garbage on the ground, even though a bin is just steps away.

Thankfully the city seems to do a pretty decent job of keeping it off the beach and out of the ocean, but I really think they could be doing a lot more. Much of this garbage will end up in the sea when a rain comes.

Vietnam is recognized as one of the top offenders in the world as far as plastic pollution is concerned (particularly when it comes to how much of it ends up in the sea.)

Construction noise is everywhere

I used to have a running joke when I lived in other parts of the world that i would say "oh this is a lovely place, or at least it will be once they finish building it."

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It really doesn't seem to matter what part of the city you go to, there is construction noise and when something is being built out of cement and tile, that is the loudest kind of construction noise.

Just yesterday I went to a new restaurant with some pals only to eat my food as fast as I could and get the hell out of there because there was a team cutting giant pieces of tile with a rotary saw directly across the street from us.

Da Nang is a recent metropolitan area and particularly over on the beach side of things where I live, the building just keep getting torn down and made taller. You can travel in any direction from where my condo is and you will pass dozens of construction sites where they work well into the night.

A big marketing strategy for real estate agents is for them to find the "quiet" condominiums but many times, I have traveled over to those places only to find out that "quiet" simply meant that the construction was a block away, instead of next door. It is extremely rare in this city to have any silence ever and this is very annoying.


All in all, I still really like it here and am glad I moved here. I will have to learn to live with the "problems" that I stated above and as far as the boozy one is concerned, that is all about willpower and I am just going to have to find some of that.

It is very easy to live very well here for under $1000 a month (probably much less if you were really trying to save money) so in that regard I should just shaddup about it. I just don't want to pretend that it is all sunshine and rainbows here because it definitely isn't.

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I know what you mean, hell even if you lived in a world with quiet robots constructing everything, there would still be too many people wandering around aimlessly to enjoy the serenity.

Lol... I hear a of people complaining about that motorcycle traffic and their 'horn' loving drivers...I've seen videos of the place and can sympathize as a result.

Even so, I still plan to visit the country one day soon (with earplugs) hopefully and look forward to more posts about the place from you.

Thailand has become less attractive to me, with all that 'anti-farang' stuff going on.

yeah, i have been hearing about that happening again. It's pretty shameful what is happening in Thailand with the discrimination right now. There is zero medical logic behind what they are doing - they are just being spiteful.

In some cases, I've seen signs at bus stations that read something like 'Thai Only' and refusing to let foreigners board.

this has gained international attention but i think the govt put a stop to it for the sake of salvaging what remains of their name as far as tourism is concerned. AKA, they only changed the policy to protect their tourism moolah, they would never acknowledge that it was a dumb and racist idea in the first place.

they would never acknowledge that it was a dumb and racist idea in the first place.

Of course not... :>) Governments never admit wrongs in any way shape or form, without a gun to their wallets...

Well at least you don't get those crazy "Deg Ven" motorbike racers in Vietnam (I guess ?!) 😆 When I'm at home I hear them pretty much 24/7.

That's def a fair amount of booze. I'd cut it down to maybe only the weekends. But I'm very aware that this could happen to myself easily if I didn't have a Mo-Fr office job.

I remember you did some kind of cross county runs - Do you still have them at your new location?

i haven't heard any motorcycle racing going on, there simply isn't enough open space. I don't know where they would do them

I used to do cross country sorta but we don't have that here... yet. I think not drinking 2 days in a row might be a good place for me to start - I remember that being a strategy of the couple on Modern Family :)

Good luck with that! 😄

there are always good and bad sides on each story, have fun

Sometimes I get mad that beer is so cheap around here but after I take one sip of that cold bottle of star, I get all religious and praise God for creating it.

ha! That is a great way to think about it. For me, I know that my "point of no return" is 5 small bottles.. after that i have zero inhibition and will just continue drinking without being concerned about how many I have had. The problem with this system is that the happy hours include buy one get one free specials, so well, i'm not going to just NOT drink the free one.

Not drinking the free one would be very rude...to the beer, and you're definitely not rude

I enjoyed reading this one!

I currently live in the mountains, 8+ hrs from any beach. I cannot imagine living at the beach and not going to the ocean multiple times a week.

The traffic sounds hard to work around if you want to ride your bike. Perhaps you could wear an intimidating outfit or helmet to gain more respect from the crazy vehicle operators. Who am I kidding, they’ll just plow right over anything in their way I’m sure.

I do very well these days when it comes to avoiding alcohol. It would become much more difficult if I could drink two for $1. That’s insane. I paid $6.50 for one bottle at my local market. Then of course there are the $10 drafts at sporting events (if those ever come back). You need some sober friends so you can balance your lifestyle out a bit more. Best of both worlds.

The trash issue could be solved in a few generations of parents stopped being lazy pieces of shits and actually taught their children how to dispose of their trash. It’s simple. Put it in the damn can!

Lastly I’ll comment on the construction.
I moved into my current apartment last October. Around February heavy construction began just outside of my bedroom window. Just today they began working at 630am. I get off of work at 2am. Let’s just say I’d love to take a drill to a few eyeballs so that I can get back to my proper deep sleep. My good dreams are turning sour thanks to the rude awakening.

i agree with everything you wrote here. That construction situation for you sounds awful. We had an idea yesterday that when the crew was getting ready to clock out of the day we would switch off the generator while they were all trapped in the service elevator then play some really annoying sound on a loudspeaker towards them for like 30 minutes... then let them go.

A funny thought. I know it isn't the workers' fault.

Reading your comments about the price of beer where you are made me put things into perspective. ha! I would probably drink a LOT less if i had to pay that much for a bottle.

I vote that you play this video while they are stuck in the elevator 🐷🐔🐣🦆🐴🐄🐏🐐

or maybe this

Damn that would drive me mad.
I like the EDM remix featuring that Kazoo Kid.

Classic

that was epic! haha, there are some really talented people out there

For sure. That vid definitely deserves the 72 million views it has.

Holy shit!
I'm dying over here.

That's a decent overview of what you see. My wife being from the far east also avoids the sun, she doesn't want to get brown.....er.

No fines for dumping shit on the ground? The government could make some money there, and clean the place up. Two for one.

yeah one thing i've also noticed is that I very rarely ever see any police. The Vietnamese people I know tell me that there are lots of undercover informants rather than uniformed officers. Ah, so there is the communism I have heard so much about because I haven't noticed it in any other aspect of the country.

Communism and living within it? I don't know much about it, but it doesn't sound too appealing. I guess you did your homework before moving there.

I visited Vietnam a few years ago and trash was a big thing I noticed.
We did a 10 day motorcycle trip all through the north and even small mountain villages had plastic everywhere.
I did notice some roadside trash burning furnaces but the rivers and streams were still littered. Tis a shame

On the plus side.. Being a similar style alcoholic as you, ya can't beat it. and everything is a great price... Even if you are getting ripped off!
I have type 1 Diabetes and insulin in the U.S is expensive.
What costs 250 for me here is 12 over there.
I flew to Vietnam... got my medicine... had a great vacation for the same price as it would have cost me to just to buy insulin here. Crazy!

I would love to go back soon. The people are fantastic!
Be sure to stock up on whitening creme if it gets too sunny out.
They love their fair skin that is for sure.

Plus you run a real risk of getting skin cancer if you get too much sun.

wow that is a crazy (but wonderful) story about your insulin and it doesn't surprise me. I've been blessed with pretty great health (fingers crossed) but when I was living in Thailand I noticed that people were coming from all around the world for various procedures because it was cheaper to fly, have a vacation, get the procedure done, recover, and fly back, than it was to get it done in their home country. It wasn't just USA people either.

The people are pretty great here, i feel very safe and welcome pretty much everywhere I go.

It is strange to think the locals try and stay out of the sun during the day. Maybe they don't want to tan as I know in certain cultures having a lighter skin is preferable which doesn't quite make any sense to me. $1000 per month is as you say living it up and could do it on less, but why would you lol. Everyone has their indulgences and I suppose if you did one day a week of no drinking that would be a good starting point.

All are very valid points. I just wish Vietnamese will start valuing their long term health and the natural beauty of their country more than progress. I'm all for sustainable progress. I'd like to add on that very rural parts of Vietnam especially in Danang are still highly polluted by AGENT ORANGE. It may seem trivial to young people but effects of exposure will only manifest later when it is be too late to remedy the repercussions.

Very interesting. I don't think I could handle the trash being all over the place like that. That is just gross and disrespectful. You would think that functioning adults could pick up after themselves a little better. Might be time to buy a scooter again just so you can not get run over on your bike!

The traffic and the noise....that is definetely not easy to take

actually looks like my cup of tea?

are there some estimates when the borders are open again? if they open before thailand I think I sit the rest out there.

not really that I have heard. they were talking about opening up just to certain countries like Australia, which would be silly because I don't think Aus is letting anyone leave.

Excellent and well done article. Very good insight to what life is like there. I would have to agree as well to the pros and cons only having stayed a couple of weeks. But, what a shame that we never got together to have a drink. You seem like a smart fun guy to pal around with.

The noise got to me particularly, as did the traffic. The beer and booze in general is SOOO cheap it's indeed hard not to. I also drank way more when I have been in Vietnam than I do here.... so it's not only you.

The litter thing is surprising in a communist country. I expect a detailed post on that someday Sir, when you work it out. LOL

On the upside, in our currently covid-crunched Thai world, things are DROPPING in price everywhere.

Hugs & have a beer for me. I like the 5000 VND fresh ones. 🍺

yeah the fresh beer isn't bad but i feel like it packs a meaner hangover than other ones... but that might be at least in part because i drink 10 of them 🤣

Karaoke... you didn't mention the karaoke haha. Drove me absolutely crazy. Sounded like the were torturing cats. I lived in Nha Trang which was similar with the beach situation. I enjoyed watching the people swimming at the break of dawn haha. I don't drink alcohol but enjoyed the coffee culture there. Yes it's more dirty than Thailand but hey its cleaner than India ;) Yes the traffic is crazy but just have to go with the flow. But its far from relaxing especially when they drive the wrong way without yielding to anyone.