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RE: Downvote Pool Deep Dive

in #steem5 years ago

I have an idea! If we could anonymously downvote then things would be much better. The big problem that we have to counter is large accounts abusing their stake. But most are afraid to cross them

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I'm not sure if this is very easy to do on the blockchain level. We are hoping to get separately delegatable downvotes which would partially address two primary conerns:

  1. Fear of retaliation of downvotes - If you're a step removed and the downvote bot also has 100 other delegators, you're far less likely to face retaliatory measures.

  2. Whale apathy - We want relatively inactive whales to delegate their SP and help clean this place up in a way that won't interfere with their curation delegations.

Also, if downvotes are handled by a relatively impartial or even anonymous third party, it'll likely be more proportion and precise rather than emotional and potentially unfair.

Yeah, functionally it would be a difficult thing to achieve but the measures you state above would definitely work. Especially number 1. I would be game for that

Yes. The fact that a downvote has a name attached to it means it will be personal and not work as intended. Making this place exponentially more toxic and not likely to attract new users.

Exactly, because more of them can be cast doesn't necessarily mean they will be because of the risk of retribution.

So when Bernie flags your 20 Steem post with a 21 Steem downvote anonymously that would be an improvement? I don't see it. I prefer to know who is abusive.

Well, it is good to have opinions on both sides of the fence! Not all downvotes are abusive though

I do agree that downvotes are a very useful and functional means of handling spam, plagiarism, scams, and similar challenges. I'm just not under the impression that handing Bernie free flags, or enabling him to flag cryptically will be of any benefit. He's not hurting me, and I have not sought any remedy because any cure I can conceive of could only make things worse.

A DV pool is such a cure.

Well on the cryptically front, I don't think some of the larger whales who flag, care who know it. On the other hand little accounts are frightened to flag because of retaliation.

Free flags have their positives as well as potential negatives. I know that personally I have been reluctant to flag too often because it uses up my VP which I prefer to use positively. I will flag more of it doesn't cost me and I suppose that more might too. Then again there is the retaliation factor. So who knows

Well, substantial stakeholders can sample the blockchain data because they are amply supplied with stake to purchase such a service. Unless you propose censoring the blockchain itself - which I hope you are not - obscuring the source of flags via the front ends will not prevent the actual data from being preserved on the blockchain.

Bernie will take full advantage of free downvotes. We can be confident of this, I expect. I thought I should flag back for a while, to symbolize resistance to bullying, but I don't care. I'm not a symbol of anything. I still do my part to suppress spam and the like where necessary. I don't see enough of it to present much of a drag on my insignificant VP, so don't need free flags for that purpose.

 5 years ago (edited) Reveal Comment

Yeah, thats quite a good way of getting around it.

Everyone is valuable!

I will check it out, I have always been intrigued by the follow on flag for blah blah comments I see :0)