I should have known you'd bring up Communities >:( ! Just kidding :). Development of Communities is going very well and should be ready soon. The "issue" is that we discovered that our solution to Communities, a software layer called Hivemind, is actually incredibly useful for doing all kinds of things (like un-resteeming) and so we really want to get Hivemind right. @roadscape is doing an absolutely amazing job developing this product. But it should be ready very soon. Communities are 100% not a forgotten or ignored feature, the exact opposite. You can hold me to that. It's simply due to the fact that Hivemind is a more complicated product than simply a sub-group feature that has made the timeline more difficult to assess. Key takeaway, once Hivemind launches, Steemians will be getting a lot MORE than just communities :).
Thats good to hear. I look forward to it. The Trending page is killing me at the moment! The sooner that is consigned to people that actually want it as a point of reference the better. It's far easier to build and sell a vibrate Community (where people happen to get rewarded) to newcomers than a "firehose"!
Will it also be possible to change the way tagging works? I had suggested a solution to the "tag abuse" problem causing noobs to get flagged and turned off by the platform. I was told it was too complicated for the current software layer that runs steemd.
The idea is that instead of the author choosing the tags for a post it should be the stake holders. So an author could choose their first tag (category) but the other tags are only based on their SP and it would be up to bigger curators to decide what tags are more appropriate for the post.
The general Idea is that More Front ends will encourage more STEEM/STEEMIT adoption but I believe that will be counter productive if there are no strong communities.
Getting people on board and not giving them a sense of connection will not bring any positive results.
There is already enough Issues like Spamming and Scams on Steemit Chat and Steemit. This is mostly done by people who are desperate to gain a slice of the Steem Pie at all costs.
Building communities however creates a sense of belonging and provides everyone with a primary source of support.
I personally believe that SMT's will not take off properly if communities are not built first.
Regarding utopian.io I actually believe (and I would say by the amount delegate to them, ned and others do too) that it has massive potential. Both as a project alone and as a tool to attract quality individuals. If anything, coding and development is more aligned with where the blockchain and crypto are currently at. It might even attract a major player that funds it further and in turn invests more into the steem blockchain.
Personally I don't think growing steemit for mass adoption is right. It should be fine tuned, better developed and grown slowly but with quality as the primary focus. Such as in the way Behance developed. Or in a dual-comparison example. The way Ebay vs Etsy developed. Ebay now struggling to clean itself from crap in attempt to remain relevant. Whereas Etsy has a very solid reputation with quality users/sellers.
As a very new user of Steemit, @utopian-io is a big reason why I've become super excited about the entire Steem ecosystem. It's the strongest signal I've seen here yet of the kind of deep and passionate community that decentralized platforms need to grow into something special.
I haven't been this excited about open networks since the early days of Napster & (the little known) Petridish.net. While that's mostly been thanks to Ethereum until recently, Steem excites me enough to have jumped into coding new products on it less than 6 weeks after joining.
I don't know what that's going to turn into yet, but it's something.
I actually like Utopian.io too, it's just unfortunate that the top trending topic was an off-piste post by them.
Maybe you're right about mass adoption being too soon. I think there is a debate to be had. If the focus is quality, then the effort should also be focussed. Rather than scatter-gunned.
Agree, a more focussed/targeted approach could happen quite easy if they proceed with communities. Devs could get a clear picture of user engagement. Thus know who to market to. Also, steemit will retain people better even when they take some time to gain rewards. The reputation of steemit would benefit. Driving more interest.
This brings up another interesting point to be made when we talk about content in the trending page we don't personally value. Should we be more free to flag it without concerns of starting a flag war? Should we hold voters accountable for their upvotes as much as we do for their downvotes? Is the problem the content or the people who vote (or don't flag) it?
In practice...
(a) very few people want to volunteer their time to join a social media site and police behaviours. There are not enough hours in the day to counteract all the downvotable content. Also the cost/ benefit doesn't stack up even if you have a large amount of SP. In many ways the Trending page is the low hanging fruit. With delegated SP there are people gaming the rewards in a way more worthy of downvoting, so a certain degree of technical know-how is needed to effectively combat 'abuses'
(b) I'd rather reward as many people as I can that do provide value, which is why I am here afterall. One of the results of doing this is low voting power, which in turn means my downvote has limited impact, that then dilutes the votes I want to give out.
(c) often we're attempting to downvote those who have or have been delegated very large amounts of SP, again limiting downvote impact
(d) people do take downvoting personally, so you end up in petty situations that I personally have no time for.
Again, if there was a "SteemCleaning" Community (rather than just an account) or even better competing Communities that countered voting that the community deems 'abuses', then SP holders could 'outsource' the job of combating abuses (using SP delegation) in a far more efficient way.
It doesn't matter if Utopian is a niche project. If YOU have a great idea to make the next super website based on Steem than YOU can do that TODAY using Utopian and just bring the idea out in the open. And in a month from now (or whatever time it requires) you got your new website created from smart developers rewarded for it by Utopian. THATS's why Utopian is by far the most important project on Steem now. :)
This was basically impossible before without a fund raiser or some lonely developers with too much time and no need for money.
I like your posts and especially the Football stuff - originally i wanted to first comment that I think you are bloody ignorant to add this point "why I ignore trending" -simply - as you are on there anyway most of the time (but at least sometimes it deserves to be there) - however communities, my topic since I am here, i did drive some on other communities as owner and moderator, what is happening there, do you know any details on how they will be launched / structured? A major feature for users apart from also stuff we should discuss on other posts.
And to end - agree trending is mainly talking about stuff, stuff and stuff lol, thanks for that post @nanzo-scoop
@nanzo-scoop keeping it real lol. Steem has a lot of stuff for sure!
Here’s something I wrote in my latest post:-
With the new SteemConnect coming out soon, we'd get a glimpse into an application UI/UX stack that enables any users to seamlessly discover and experience all the different sides of Steem in order to gravitate towards their individual preferences. This is how users will start investing in the system.
In my mind, I think there needs to be a way to quickly switch between steem applications with a gateway app like steemconnect. For example now that I’m viewing your post on Steemit, what if I can just switch to Busy, chainbb, etc while remaining on the same content, but different context?
Lol... I think I can go off at times (as you saw at breakfast at Steemfest!)
The idea of being able to switch interfaces seemlessly seems cool. It may even bring some order to the chaos. However a lot of these features seem like nice to haves. Most users of social media will have/ want a very uncomplicated experience. I'm not sure enough is being done to cater for "regular users" as the platform is being driven by super users for super users.
I am looking forward to the development of communities on steemit too! It can be a lonley place when you aren't a 'techy' person. Ive only been here since July and have made some lovely friends, but it has been hard work trying not to give up when all you have to talk to are spam bot comments lol (I even got trolled by a bot once! XD) I love the art/creative writing and photography side of steemit and it would be great to be able to mix with like minded people and be inspired by others. Im not sure what utopian is so I can't really comment there but I agree the delegation could be spread more evenly over different catagories.
100% agree that it should be easier to find and mix with like minded people. As it should be easier to filter out stuff your not interested in.
It's nice to be able to follow people however it's getting increasingly difficult to come across new people even though they are here. I often come across people month after they've been on the platform.
I think communities should help with making that connection around subjects of mutual interest.
@nanzo-scoop you missed quite a few important points:
It was not a rant. It was a much wider message pointing out the issues on Steem in terms of Steem distribution and abuses on this platform, plus some proposals on how to drive a different approach through Utopian.
Utopian targets a small niche? So thinkers, designers, developers, beta testers, content creators, video makers and all the other professions we target are a small niche?
The post got 100% upvote, declined rewards and 4K Euros sent by me to the utopian-io wallet.
I believe you should less be worried about new users seeing a rant (that is not a rant) on top of the trending page and much more worried about what is wrong in this blockchain and how to fix it. In order to get things noticed sometimes you must shout them out and on the bottom of the post is also explained the reason of the provocatory message.
Just being honest, you shouted out this video before actually getting into the thing deeply enough to actually understand it.
There is nothing "deep" to get into. This is child's play.
The points you make may be important to you but not to me. The points I find important are in my video and blog post.
Like I told you at Steemfest, I like what you've done with Utopian.io and the impact you've made in a short period of time. It is commendable. I want Utopian to win. If Utopian wins, Steem wins, I win.
A 'rant'/ declaration of war/ whatever it was against phishing on Steemit.chat (not even a Steem blockchain app) is cool too. Everyone's entitled to vent. I vent too. If you're 'shock jocking' the subject to make a different point, more power to you.
However when the post is upvoted to the top of the trending page by one account super charged with delegated steem power that was primarily sponsoring the account for other purposes... well, that is symptomatic of why I don't visit the trending page often. This kind of thing is nothing new. It's been happening (in different guises) since I joined the platform 18 months ago. I think/ hope the development of things like Communities is a step that might help elevate this (and promote valued content) in an organic way.
For example, I'd much rather see details of a innovative Open Source Initiative top the trending page then another promo about the frontend that will promote/ bring Open Source Projects topping the feed (again and again). Until people get sick of it and there's a backlash... Then the backlash tops the trending page. Then something else pops up promising to deliver the "killer Steem app" hits the top of the trending page... and the cycle continues...
Been there, done that. Bring on Communities.
That is the extent to which I'm 'worried' about anything that goes on the Trending page. One video. One post. One reply (this).
@nanzo-scoop probably you picked the wrong example to explain your vision. I already posted about these scammers and it did not work since the post did not get enough exposure. I used this occasion to do 2-3 main things, as you read in my post.
Bring the attention to those scammers in order to avoid newbies being scammed.
Step out from posting about Utopian and move everything under the official account so to decrease the chances of scammers using my name and to make the project more driven by a common identity than a single person
I proposed Utopian as a community witness.
I may understand that the contents may not be of your interest and your point was supposed to be on how to fix content discovery in Steemit and I agree that is gonna happen with the communities. At the same time you took Utopian as a strong example of that when I believe there are much better and suitable examples, giving the fact I never use Utopian manually to vote on my things and you know the project has the best intentions.
My developers? @nokodemion we can have a discussion when you know what you are talking about. Sorry don't mean to be rude but if you miss the basis I can't guide you through them now.
You are a clever person, but cleverness is not intelligence.
Quote @nanzo-scoop [However when the post is upvoted to the top of the trending page by one account super charged with delegated steem power that was primarily sponsoring the account for other purposes...]
Do you know me? How can you tell I miss the basis? Why you think you are the only one knowing what he is talking about?
@nokodemion the sentence "your developers" does not make sense to me and makes me think you did not get the purpose of the platform. I was just pointing out that.
I agree, there is no need to create dozens of variants when there can be only one made perfectly. and I dont read this trending posts, but there is no way to miss for example that utopian thing (I have no idea what it is) because lots of people resteem it.. and sometimes it feels weird to see only development and crypto posts in trending.. thats why I search in categories mostly..
I couldn't find anything to disagree with in your video...not that I was looking. I've said basically the same thing in other places around Steemit or in chats/private discussions, particularly about delegating nearly 4 million SP to what will ultimately remain a very niche market (open source development) while ignoring other projects with much more widespread appeal that can actually integrate with Steem/Steemit very well (such as sports or music).
As usual, you have a firm grasp of what happens around here and what is actually needed - and you're not afraid to tell it like it is. In real life, I think we would be good friends!
Anyway, regarding content that you actually do like and would like to see more of...I'm going to be working on something that I think you might be able to get behind. It's sports-related, of course. And on that note - do you use Steemit.chat?
@ats-david You lack the understanding of what an Open Source project is to call it a niche.
On 16 January 2013, GitHub announced it had passed the 3 million users mark and was then hosting more than 5 million repositories. On 23 December 2013, GitHub announced it had reached 10 million repositories.
The big part of the softwares you use in your daily life are Open Source and many more will be Open Source. On top of that working on a niche is always advisable when heading to a huge market where the giants already own everything. Utopian does not exist anywhere else. It is a new concept targeting a huge niche and you should rethink your feedback about it, before the project itself will show you how wrong you are ;)
@elear Thank you for trying to get more people to learn about open source and how much of the web we all use depends on it. Wordpress is one of my favorite examples:
more than 409 million people view more than 23.6 billion pages each month and users produce 69.5 million new posts and 46.8 million new comments every month. It also powers more than 25% of the world's websites.
Firefox, a huge number of Google projects (including Tensor Flow), and frameworks like Vue.js, Angular, and React that power everything from Facebook to Steemit/condenser, and countless other apps... all open source.
You lack the understanding of the words I use and the numbers you're sharing here.
By definition, open source coders are a niche market. Based on actual social media interest, open source coding blogs and information is an extremely niche market. Your 3 million users pale in comparison to the billion+ on Facebook, and the hundreds of millions on other popular sites/apps.
Maybe you're taking things a little too personally?
It is a new concept targeting a huge niche and you should rethink your feedback about it, before the project itself will show you how wrong you are ;)
Cool project bro. I hope it succeeds. My opinions on delegation for it haven't changed though. There is much more widespread appeal for other topics of interest.
Perhaps users and investors around here need to decide on what type of future the blockchain has...whether it wants to focus on niche/exclusivity or mass adoption. Either one is fine, but the blockchain protocols need to better reflect that vision so that users/investors can align themselves properly.
Man I am not taking it personally and actually I was trying to be funny @ats-david. It didn't work.
I agree with you if you compare it with generic social media platforms. The problem is that to compete with such markets you need to have the big balls that not even the entire Steem all together has. What I mean is, there is much more possibility for a niche project to succeed outside of this platform than for generic ones, simply because there is much less competition. I would focus completely on niche projects and maybe from there start thinking about trying to beat the giants.
absolutely agree!
we risk to lose the real content creating goal. apps and tools are great to develope Steem, but it can't be the most rewarded subject on the platform, or it will miss its social identity.
agree about subcommunity too: I suggested that feature in the steemit.blog post asking about the priorities of the roadmap2018.
Nice to see you again :) Nice video. I heard about that phishing matter and it is so funny because every newbie who would read that will be a bit suspicious lol
Hmm, I see sense In what you've said. I used to use busy.org,but I did not just feel it like using steemit directly.there are a lot of personal takes on this though.
I think Steem and steemit isn't successful (more users) because here is no help for poor people. I have fleas now and only need 100 or 200 euro to have a better life. Or 1000 to 2000 to make my own business. But since 3-4 years I am talking about my situation and steemIts problem of being so ice cold and nobody listens. Who wants to join a network where the users are so inhumane and unshareful? It's super unsexy. A few votes from rich people or a little loan could catapult mu life into a better place, yet nothing. I asked for donations and got 10 dollar. 5 from ericvancewaltin and 5 from nacktepoesie. Why are you all so fucking coldhearted. I believe you must be assholes or nazis but maybe you are just cold hearted or stupid.
I didn't write this and have in mind that someone sends me donations. Don;t take it so serious, see it as a voice who shows that something isn't working well. Like a path through grass in the city where people walk because the architect didn't think about the peoples needs and behaviour. It just shows that the architect made a mistake.
Im not sure.. steemit was not ment to be a charity... lots of people are here to make profit from their work.. I agree there could be some more interest of those who has power.. there are lots whales who could use their voting power every day for 10 - 20 100% votes or more smaller so they could profit as well as the autors they would support.. but some of them just dont do it and let that steem power "resting"... but it is up them how they use their money... we shouldnt be upset about it.
I care about the growth in user numbers. It's important to help small guys to get into business - especially when they are doing a good job (in my case marketing). Everyone plays his part and my part is talking with people in the street. I know why many people come and go again and explained everything in my comment. To support others isn't charity. It is kindness, love, positive attitude, vision, respect for life. If you don't hold these ideals high nobody wants to join because most people in the world like love, respect, kindness, and so on.
on the other hand, isnt it sad that your rant about his rant is in trending as well??
you actually made 180ish in 3 hours talking about some one elses rant
so this does negate your whole point of making the trending page relevant for new users??
Not really. The Trending page is an ass. It will be that whether I'm on it or not.
If a post I make pointing out that we need Communities over the Trending page ends up trending (and gets more eyeballs), then my work on this subject is done. I'll move on the myriad of other things I like to post about.
I have a solution to fix the trending page. If a post has more votes than it does views, it is not allowed on the trending page. Simple a trend is something people look at, view, not something that a bot votes on. Quadruple the power of the view verse the vote and trend votebot garbage goes away. Base the trending page on views, not votes.
Well @nanzo-scoop you wanted to point out Utopian is on the trending and quite often there. You just made another post about Utopian that is guess where into the trending page. Sorry but I think it's quite funny ;D
My post was about why I avoid the Trending page, Utopian was just an illustration.
I mean, what is top trending now? A post by Steemit Inc about submitting proposals for 2018 roadmap items catapulted to prominence by a super-charged vote by Ned. If I made the video now, I could easily be making similar points about Ned & Steemit announcements etc.
Pretty much any day, I can find a similar example - which is kind of my point, and why I avoid looking at the Trending page for anything that will interest me.
If my 'rant' about Steemit needing Communities as the landing page over the Trending page has now ended up trending... enough said, roll on Communities.
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Utopian has a great future, it will help in building great community focused applications. Communities where individuals love to hang on.
I think steem developers will remove the bandwidth limit or will limit to a bigger extent, so that new users will find it easy to post whatever they want to...
steemit community is always growing up. steemit community is developed day by day. I like to work on steemit. For new members on steemit i want to say something. Don't copy paste. Create your own post. Creat post with great creativity. i see that many new steemit members have problem to understand steemit in beggining and After some time they not able to work much more on steemit or they work on steemit in wrong way like to copy paste. I want to help these peoples. if You are new on steemit then see my this post and comment me. https://steemit.com/steemit/@tusharvasave/beginner-guide-of-steemit-com-for-all-stemians-step-by-step-easy-explanation
[ Everyones excited as the countdown has begun.. looking eagerly for very good outcomes...good wishes to you.. and everyone..]
My greetings to you and the great good content in your publication
I see that the Astemeet plane will not take off before it proves its presence on the ground and I see that there is an important road map for everyone to follow.
Greetings to you @walidsalah
Wise words as always. Hopefully communities will be within the future, seems like a much needed aspect of Steemit. All the dtube etc. Is great and all but seems like it would be a thing that would be more effective later in the game:)
Cool post mate. I also love any kind of communities -I believe, they can boost your ideas and your efficiency in many fields, that's why it's very important take part in any community-based events.
I should have known you'd bring up Communities >:( ! Just kidding :). Development of Communities is going very well and should be ready soon. The "issue" is that we discovered that our solution to Communities, a software layer called Hivemind, is actually incredibly useful for doing all kinds of things (like un-resteeming) and so we really want to get Hivemind right. @roadscape is doing an absolutely amazing job developing this product. But it should be ready very soon. Communities are 100% not a forgotten or ignored feature, the exact opposite. You can hold me to that. It's simply due to the fact that Hivemind is a more complicated product than simply a sub-group feature that has made the timeline more difficult to assess. Key takeaway, once Hivemind launches, Steemians will be getting a lot MORE than just communities :).
Thats good to hear. I look forward to it. The Trending page is killing me at the moment! The sooner that is consigned to people that actually want it as a point of reference the better. It's far easier to build and sell a vibrate Community (where people happen to get rewarded) to newcomers than a "firehose"!
Will it also be possible to change the way tagging works? I had suggested a solution to the "tag abuse" problem causing noobs to get flagged and turned off by the platform. I was told it was too complicated for the current software layer that runs steemd.
The idea is that instead of the author choosing the tags for a post it should be the stake holders. So an author could choose their first tag (category) but the other tags are only based on their SP and it would be up to bigger curators to decide what tags are more appropriate for the post.
i like that even whe nyou are ranting you sitll have this small and positive attitude ;)
Yep... like a smiling assassin!
Hello @nanzo-scoop
You made some solid points with this Rant.
The general Idea is that More Front ends will encourage more STEEM/STEEMIT adoption but I believe that will be counter productive if there are no strong communities.
Getting people on board and not giving them a sense of connection will not bring any positive results.
There is already enough Issues like Spamming and Scams on Steemit Chat and Steemit. This is mostly done by people who are desperate to gain a slice of the Steem Pie at all costs.
Building communities however creates a sense of belonging and provides everyone with a primary source of support.
I personally believe that SMT's will not take off properly if communities are not built first.
Thats my 2 steem on the Issue.
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Quote: "I personally believe that SMT's will not take off properly if communities are not built first"
Agreed... lets vote for it. :)
Damn this was cold. Though I do see your point, so please don't feel I am against what you are saying. Delegation abuse is hot news right now: https://steemit.com/steem/@transisto/whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk
Regarding utopian.io I actually believe (and I would say by the amount delegate to them, ned and others do too) that it has massive potential. Both as a project alone and as a tool to attract quality individuals. If anything, coding and development is more aligned with where the blockchain and crypto are currently at. It might even attract a major player that funds it further and in turn invests more into the steem blockchain.
Personally I don't think growing steemit for mass adoption is right. It should be fine tuned, better developed and grown slowly but with quality as the primary focus. Such as in the way Behance developed. Or in a dual-comparison example. The way Ebay vs Etsy developed. Ebay now struggling to clean itself from crap in attempt to remain relevant. Whereas Etsy has a very solid reputation with quality users/sellers.
As a very new user of Steemit, @utopian-io is a big reason why I've become super excited about the entire Steem ecosystem. It's the strongest signal I've seen here yet of the kind of deep and passionate community that decentralized platforms need to grow into something special.
I haven't been this excited about open networks since the early days of Napster & (the little known) Petridish.net. While that's mostly been thanks to Ethereum until recently, Steem excites me enough to have jumped into coding new products on it less than 6 weeks after joining.
I don't know what that's going to turn into yet, but it's something.
I actually like Utopian.io too, it's just unfortunate that the top trending topic was an off-piste post by them.
Maybe you're right about mass adoption being too soon. I think there is a debate to be had. If the focus is quality, then the effort should also be focussed. Rather than scatter-gunned.
Agree, a more focussed/targeted approach could happen quite easy if they proceed with communities. Devs could get a clear picture of user engagement. Thus know who to market to. Also, steemit will retain people better even when they take some time to gain rewards. The reputation of steemit would benefit. Driving more interest.
This brings up another interesting point to be made when we talk about content in the trending page we don't personally value. Should we be more free to flag it without concerns of starting a flag war? Should we hold voters accountable for their upvotes as much as we do for their downvotes? Is the problem the content or the people who vote (or don't flag) it?
In principle... yes.
In practice...
(a) very few people want to volunteer their time to join a social media site and police behaviours. There are not enough hours in the day to counteract all the downvotable content. Also the cost/ benefit doesn't stack up even if you have a large amount of SP. In many ways the Trending page is the low hanging fruit. With delegated SP there are people gaming the rewards in a way more worthy of downvoting, so a certain degree of technical know-how is needed to effectively combat 'abuses'
(b) I'd rather reward as many people as I can that do provide value, which is why I am here afterall. One of the results of doing this is low voting power, which in turn means my downvote has limited impact, that then dilutes the votes I want to give out.
(c) often we're attempting to downvote those who have or have been delegated very large amounts of SP, again limiting downvote impact
(d) people do take downvoting personally, so you end up in petty situations that I personally have no time for.
Again, if there was a "SteemCleaning" Community (rather than just an account) or even better competing Communities that countered voting that the community deems 'abuses', then SP holders could 'outsource' the job of combating abuses (using SP delegation) in a far more efficient way.
Thats a big comments but its really good comments @teknow
It doesn't matter if Utopian is a niche project. If YOU have a great idea to make the next super website based on Steem than YOU can do that TODAY using Utopian and just bring the idea out in the open. And in a month from now (or whatever time it requires) you got your new website created from smart developers rewarded for it by Utopian. THATS's why Utopian is by far the most important project on Steem now. :)
This was basically impossible before without a fund raiser or some lonely developers with too much time and no need for money.
I like your posts and especially the Football stuff - originally i wanted to first comment that I think you are bloody ignorant to add this point "why I ignore trending" -simply - as you are on there anyway most of the time (but at least sometimes it deserves to be there) - however communities, my topic since I am here, i did drive some on other communities as owner and moderator, what is happening there, do you know any details on how they will be launched / structured? A major feature for users apart from also stuff we should discuss on other posts.
And to end - agree trending is mainly talking about stuff, stuff and stuff lol, thanks for that post @nanzo-scoop
@nanzo-scoop keeping it real lol. Steem has a lot of stuff for sure!
Here’s something I wrote in my latest post:-
In my mind, I think there needs to be a way to quickly switch between steem applications with a gateway app like steemconnect. For example now that I’m viewing your post on Steemit, what if I can just switch to Busy, chainbb, etc while remaining on the same content, but different context?
Lol... I think I can go off at times (as you saw at breakfast at Steemfest!)
The idea of being able to switch interfaces seemlessly seems cool. It may even bring some order to the chaos. However a lot of these features seem like nice to haves. Most users of social media will have/ want a very uncomplicated experience. I'm not sure enough is being done to cater for "regular users" as the platform is being driven by super users for super users.
I am looking forward to the development of communities on steemit too! It can be a lonley place when you aren't a 'techy' person. Ive only been here since July and have made some lovely friends, but it has been hard work trying not to give up when all you have to talk to are spam bot comments lol (I even got trolled by a bot once! XD) I love the art/creative writing and photography side of steemit and it would be great to be able to mix with like minded people and be inspired by others. Im not sure what utopian is so I can't really comment there but I agree the delegation could be spread more evenly over different catagories.
100% agree that it should be easier to find and mix with like minded people. As it should be easier to filter out stuff your not interested in.
It's nice to be able to follow people however it's getting increasingly difficult to come across new people even though they are here. I often come across people month after they've been on the platform.
I think communities should help with making that connection around subjects of mutual interest.
@nanzo-scoop you missed quite a few important points:
It was not a rant. It was a much wider message pointing out the issues on Steem in terms of Steem distribution and abuses on this platform, plus some proposals on how to drive a different approach through Utopian.
Utopian targets a small niche? So thinkers, designers, developers, beta testers, content creators, video makers and all the other professions we target are a small niche?
The post got 100% upvote, declined rewards and 4K Euros sent by me to the utopian-io wallet.
I believe you should less be worried about new users seeing a rant (that is not a rant) on top of the trending page and much more worried about what is wrong in this blockchain and how to fix it. In order to get things noticed sometimes you must shout them out and on the bottom of the post is also explained the reason of the provocatory message.
Just being honest, you shouted out this video before actually getting into the thing deeply enough to actually understand it.
Thanks
There is nothing "deep" to get into. This is child's play.
The points you make may be important to you but not to me. The points I find important are in my video and blog post.
Like I told you at Steemfest, I like what you've done with Utopian.io and the impact you've made in a short period of time. It is commendable. I want Utopian to win. If Utopian wins, Steem wins, I win.
A 'rant'/ declaration of war/ whatever it was against phishing on Steemit.chat (not even a Steem blockchain app) is cool too. Everyone's entitled to vent. I vent too. If you're 'shock jocking' the subject to make a different point, more power to you.
However when the post is upvoted to the top of the trending page by one account super charged with delegated steem power that was primarily sponsoring the account for other purposes... well, that is symptomatic of why I don't visit the trending page often. This kind of thing is nothing new. It's been happening (in different guises) since I joined the platform 18 months ago. I think/ hope the development of things like Communities is a step that might help elevate this (and promote valued content) in an organic way.
For example, I'd much rather see details of a innovative Open Source Initiative top the trending page then another promo about the frontend that will promote/ bring Open Source Projects topping the feed (again and again). Until people get sick of it and there's a backlash... Then the backlash tops the trending page. Then something else pops up promising to deliver the "killer Steem app" hits the top of the trending page... and the cycle continues...
Been there, done that. Bring on Communities.
That is the extent to which I'm 'worried' about anything that goes on the Trending page. One video. One post. One reply (this).
@nanzo-scoop probably you picked the wrong example to explain your vision. I already posted about these scammers and it did not work since the post did not get enough exposure. I used this occasion to do 2-3 main things, as you read in my post.
I may understand that the contents may not be of your interest and your point was supposed to be on how to fix content discovery in Steemit and I agree that is gonna happen with the communities. At the same time you took Utopian as a strong example of that when I believe there are much better and suitable examples, giving the fact I never use Utopian manually to vote on my things and you know the project has the best intentions.
This is my thought.
Money Talks and Bullshit Walks!!! Isn't it?
I agree 100% with @nanzo-scoop period.
Worried about what is wrong in this blockchain? Please enlighten us, whats wrong?
The trending page is full of garbage that belongs in a developers forum!!!
Quote: "proposals on how to drive a different approach through Utopian"
What does that mean, focus on the user? Like me and @nanzo-scoop? Or you developers?
My developers? @nokodemion we can have a discussion when you know what you are talking about. Sorry don't mean to be rude but if you miss the basis I can't guide you through them now.
You are a clever person, but cleverness is not intelligence.
Quote @nanzo-scoop [However when the post is upvoted to the top of the trending page by one account super charged with delegated steem power that was primarily sponsoring the account for other purposes...]
Do you know me? How can you tell I miss the basis? Why you think you are the only one knowing what he is talking about?
I am really sorry for you!!!
@nokodemion the sentence "your developers" does not make sense to me and makes me think you did not get the purpose of the platform. I was just pointing out that.
I agree, there is no need to create dozens of variants when there can be only one made perfectly. and I dont read this trending posts, but there is no way to miss for example that utopian thing (I have no idea what it is) because lots of people resteem it.. and sometimes it feels weird to see only development and crypto posts in trending.. thats why I search in categories mostly..
I couldn't find anything to disagree with in your video...not that I was looking. I've said basically the same thing in other places around Steemit or in chats/private discussions, particularly about delegating nearly 4 million SP to what will ultimately remain a very niche market (open source development) while ignoring other projects with much more widespread appeal that can actually integrate with Steem/Steemit very well (such as sports or music).
As usual, you have a firm grasp of what happens around here and what is actually needed - and you're not afraid to tell it like it is. In real life, I think we would be good friends!
Anyway, regarding content that you actually do like and would like to see more of...I'm going to be working on something that I think you might be able to get behind. It's sports-related, of course. And on that note - do you use Steemit.chat?
Appreciate that. Glad we're on the same page.
Sure, I'm definitely interested in anything sport-related. I use the same handle on steemit.chat, nanzo-scoop.
@ats-david You lack the understanding of what an Open Source project is to call it a niche.
The big part of the softwares you use in your daily life are Open Source and many more will be Open Source. On top of that working on a niche is always advisable when heading to a huge market where the giants already own everything. Utopian does not exist anywhere else. It is a new concept targeting a huge niche and you should rethink your feedback about it, before the project itself will show you how wrong you are ;)
@elear Thank you for trying to get more people to learn about open source and how much of the web we all use depends on it. Wordpress is one of my favorite examples:
Firefox, a huge number of Google projects (including Tensor Flow), and frameworks like Vue.js, Angular, and React that power everything from Facebook to Steemit/condenser, and countless other apps... all open source.
You lack the understanding of the words I use and the numbers you're sharing here.
By definition, open source coders are a niche market. Based on actual social media interest, open source coding blogs and information is an extremely niche market. Your 3 million users pale in comparison to the billion+ on Facebook, and the hundreds of millions on other popular sites/apps.
Maybe you're taking things a little too personally?
Cool project bro. I hope it succeeds. My opinions on delegation for it haven't changed though. There is much more widespread appeal for other topics of interest.
Perhaps users and investors around here need to decide on what type of future the blockchain has...whether it wants to focus on niche/exclusivity or mass adoption. Either one is fine, but the blockchain protocols need to better reflect that vision so that users/investors can align themselves properly.
Man I am not taking it personally and actually I was trying to be funny @ats-david. It didn't work.
I agree with you if you compare it with generic social media platforms. The problem is that to compete with such markets you need to have the big balls that not even the entire Steem all together has. What I mean is, there is much more possibility for a niche project to succeed outside of this platform than for generic ones, simply because there is much less competition. I would focus completely on niche projects and maybe from there start thinking about trying to beat the giants.
absolutely agree!
we risk to lose the real content creating goal. apps and tools are great to develope Steem, but it can't be the most rewarded subject on the platform, or it will miss its social identity.
agree about subcommunity too: I suggested that feature in the steemit.blog post asking about the priorities of the roadmap2018.
Yes baby, avoid this trending shit, and some hot shit.
I am just not sure. That are we going apart from steemit. Or it will be for the benefite of the community
Nice to see you again :) Nice video. I heard about that phishing matter and it is so funny because every newbie who would read that will be a bit suspicious lol
Hmm, I see sense In what you've said. I used to use busy.org,but I did not just feel it like using steemit directly.there are a lot of personal takes on this though.
Great post, I literally cannot keep up with all these new apps and platforms😄 Im gonna have to do a bit of research on Utopian.io It seems
I think Steem and steemit isn't successful (more users) because here is no help for poor people. I have fleas now and only need 100 or 200 euro to have a better life. Or 1000 to 2000 to make my own business. But since 3-4 years I am talking about my situation and steemIts problem of being so ice cold and nobody listens. Who wants to join a network where the users are so inhumane and unshareful? It's super unsexy. A few votes from rich people or a little loan could catapult mu life into a better place, yet nothing. I asked for donations and got 10 dollar. 5 from ericvancewaltin and 5 from nacktepoesie. Why are you all so fucking coldhearted. I believe you must be assholes or nazis but maybe you are just cold hearted or stupid.
do you really believe someone will send you money after this insults?
I didn't write this and have in mind that someone sends me donations. Don;t take it so serious, see it as a voice who shows that something isn't working well. Like a path through grass in the city where people walk because the architect didn't think about the peoples needs and behaviour. It just shows that the architect made a mistake.
Im not sure.. steemit was not ment to be a charity... lots of people are here to make profit from their work.. I agree there could be some more interest of those who has power.. there are lots whales who could use their voting power every day for 10 - 20 100% votes or more smaller so they could profit as well as the autors they would support.. but some of them just dont do it and let that steem power "resting"... but it is up them how they use their money... we shouldnt be upset about it.
I care about the growth in user numbers. It's important to help small guys to get into business - especially when they are doing a good job (in my case marketing). Everyone plays his part and my part is talking with people in the street. I know why many people come and go again and explained everything in my comment. To support others isn't charity. It is kindness, love, positive attitude, vision, respect for life. If you don't hold these ideals high nobody wants to join because most people in the world like love, respect, kindness, and so on.
on the other hand, isnt it sad that your rant about his rant is in trending as well??
you actually made 180ish in 3 hours talking about some one elses rant
so this does negate your whole point of making the trending page relevant for new users??
Not really. The Trending page is an ass. It will be that whether I'm on it or not.
If a post I make pointing out that we need Communities over the Trending page ends up trending (and gets more eyeballs), then my work on this subject is done. I'll move on the myriad of other things I like to post about.
I have a solution to fix the trending page. If a post has more votes than it does views, it is not allowed on the trending page. Simple a trend is something people look at, view, not something that a bot votes on. Quadruple the power of the view verse the vote and trend votebot garbage goes away. Base the trending page on views, not votes.
Well @nanzo-scoop you wanted to point out Utopian is on the trending and quite often there. You just made another post about Utopian that is guess where into the trending page. Sorry but I think it's quite funny ;D
My post was about why I avoid the Trending page, Utopian was just an illustration.
I mean, what is top trending now? A post by Steemit Inc about submitting proposals for 2018 roadmap items catapulted to prominence by a super-charged vote by Ned. If I made the video now, I could easily be making similar points about Ned & Steemit announcements etc.
Pretty much any day, I can find a similar example - which is kind of my point, and why I avoid looking at the Trending page for anything that will interest me.
If my 'rant' about Steemit needing Communities as the landing page over the Trending page has now ended up trending... enough said, roll on Communities.
And anyways @nanzo-scoop I removed the Utopian vote. The post got enough attention. It's fine not to have it there for too long ;)
Hello, How do you get so many votes? I'm new on here and trying to understand. Please help lol
Yes, we hope this happens in 2018
A successful march for all
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good work dear friend
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I love your views my man and communists is what will make steem and steemit bloom.
A bit harsh but realistic.
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Utopian has a great future, it will help in building great community focused applications. Communities where individuals love to hang on.
I think steem developers will remove the bandwidth limit or will limit to a bigger extent, so that new users will find it easy to post whatever they want to...
NICE JOB
nice post.
great jod
steemit community is always growing up. steemit community is developed day by day. I like to work on steemit. For new members on steemit i want to say something. Don't copy paste. Create your own post. Creat post with great creativity. i see that many new steemit members have problem to understand steemit in beggining and After some time they not able to work much more on steemit or they work on steemit in wrong way like to copy paste. I want to help these peoples. if You are new on steemit then see my this post and comment me. https://steemit.com/steemit/@tusharvasave/beginner-guide-of-steemit-com-for-all-stemians-step-by-step-easy-explanation
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i Don't want to upvote this post. but i want to every new steemit member must see this. this is helpful for everyone on steemit.
I like live with Communities...............
And video of views on steem delegation is great for learning.
My greetings to you and the great good content in your publication
I see that the Astemeet plane will not take off before it proves its presence on the ground and I see that there is an important road map for everyone to follow.
Greetings to you
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Wise words as always. Hopefully communities will be within the future, seems like a much needed aspect of Steemit. All the dtube etc. Is great and all but seems like it would be a thing that would be more effective later in the game:)
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Cool post mate. I also love any kind of communities -I believe, they can boost your ideas and your efficiency in many fields, that's why it's very important take part in any community-based events.
the interesting time is about to being time to shift gears