The other side

in OCD2 years ago

I'm coming close to 6 years on this chain, it has somehow felt like a lot longer as so much has happened. I've seen a lot of things, many things I've seen before but also many new things that related to Hive and how this chain operates.

One thing that always surprised and baffles me is how some people react to being found for abusing/farming content in a lazy manner. Is it the downvotes? Is it the fact that they cherished their account so much only to see it lose its reputation? If it's the latter I feel they'd get to their senses and try better while asking forgiveness from the community and the general consensus. Of course the line can sometimes be pretty gray but most of the time it's always been quite straightforward and most of he community, or at least everyone being active about the matter have been in agreement that whatever was happening with a certain account cannot longer continue that way. Everyone except the account found abusing of course. Some times a few buddies who either also have met the same fate or have ulterior motives to defend the culprit.

It's just fascinating in a way, while I have read a lot of posts about it from some great authors on Hive I kinda feel someone should write a book about it as well. How downvotes affect people on Hive is on a whole other dimension compared to reddit and other platforms that have/had them. Something that baffles me the most is that they continue to stick around and spend time here thinking they're doing themselves or anyone else any favors, imagine if that were to happen in real life and how absurd it would be.

Say you get found out at work that you've been doing nothing on your working hours the past few months or even doing things the wrong way. Would your employer forgive you for it, you think? Pat you on the back and ask you to try better and to stop stealing from him and drive his business to the ground? Of course not the best comparison, it's kind of hard to compare hive and the reward pool to something since it's so unique but think about it. Then the boss decides to cut your paycheck and "fire" you in a way, and what do you do? You go working for someone else in a similar branch that maybe pays you a few cents per day and you come back to your previous job place to tell everyone still working there who pretty much agreed that you should be fired how great it is at the new place cause no one is around to tell you not to misbehave or steal pennies from the job and that they should join you.

It's quite absurd.

I've always valued my reputation on Hive. I feel like a lot of people forget what this technology is in a way, not just the immutabe part, i.e. you do one mistake and it's engraved on the chain forever, say for instance you fool around on some alt accounts or create sockpuppets for other advantages. One mistake and that's it, you're done. Of course it depends on what the mistake is, how much unfair rewards or advantages you may have gotten away with and other things that all come to light when you're found out by someone eventually. The community is a lot more forgiving to newcomers who think they may outsmart everyone by attempting to trick their way into more rewards or faster ROI than others or the way POB is supposed to work and limit the ROI everyone shares through curation. If you've been here a very long time, though, and your reputation number is quite high then the community may not be as forgiving, but even then if you confess, take some time off or do other things that don't involved you just constantly earning and taking value from the network the way you have been unfairly before, eventually the community can forgive you.

I've seen that happen many time, second chances, hell even third chances. Some may even just start fresh accounts in shame and do better there, who knows (if they're anon).

What completely baffles me is when they turn around and start attacking literally anyone and everyone that points out what they are doing is wrong. I seriously don't understand what the endgame is in their mind. Have they just given up then and there and their motive is to waste everyone a ton of time with their endless discussions, lies and drama? They attack the network that has up until then rewarded them more than any other website would ever have 99% of the time. It's everyone and everything else that's wrong, not them.

I just don't really understand it.

I'm not sure why I'm writing this post out of the blue but maybe it's something someone needs to hear who hasn't thought about it before and may at some point get in some trouble with the community. Just try and look at things from a different perspective and maybe listen to other trusted community members who are together telling you that what you are doing is wrong and using their downvote mana to counter said activity.

Hive has a long life ahead of it, I know things are turbulent in the markets and many who are on Hive may have no idea about the tech as it's so easy to get into it without having to know anything about it (which is good), but it is very hard to bring this chain down and for people to let go of it, the more time, energy, development, money and effort that goes and continues going into it in one way or another, the tougher it becomes. There are no entities that can shut it down fully, they can try to ban it, illegalize it, fud it, etc, but Hive will carry on, the witness list may shuffle a bit but there will always be a few places in the world whether in secret or not where there will be computers running the code and making sure others can still access it and do what they're doing today. The only way it can die is if most people lose interest, most developers leave and no one is there to continue evolving it or bringing it to new people to help them get it places.

That's why reputation matters, unless you're dying and don't care anymore or you've gotten rich by some random meme coin or you were shorting luna from the top, you should care about your reputation. With a good reputation you can always count on the community, the same way I have. I've had 5 digit loans from people I've never even met, who don't know my name or where I live all through my reputation here.

Tell me another place that is possible without and collateral.

With your reputation you can ensure that you can continue be rewarded if you ever need to make some extra money. Of course that's a bit relative not just cause of the markets but also cause of your current or past activity and supporters, but it's there, whether you're new or old, the possibility and opportunities are there waiting for you as your slate is blank and you don't have a bad reputation. With your reputation you can meet new people, open up new opportunities and get involved with others online in different things more freely and with trust without needing to give something away beforehand like your identity or location.

Some people say the way users can remain anon and do what they do on Hive is one of it's downsides but I truly believe that anonymity is a must have option for platforms like these. Not everyone is anon just to eventually do something bad or lose their reputation, I've seen countless of non-anons do way worse than what I've seen anons do. Some people just want to remain anon for other benefits.

Anyway, I'm kind of getting off point here of the post so maybe a good time to end it.

Apologies also from the lack of posting, my vacation after some health treatments I did which seems like forever is shortly coming to a close so can't wait to get back to post about some things on my mind, what I'll start continuing to work on regarding POSH and OCD and maybe also start sharing some pictures of my travels, vacation and my beautiful girlfriend who I finally got to meet after a very, very long, long distance relationship thanks to covid restrictions.

Thanks for reading this rant whoever did and hope some of you may remember it down the line if necessary but hopefully the community consensus won't have to turn against you, and if it's just one or two people harrassing you I'm sure others will step in to help, even if it costs them a little ROI here and there.

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If you look at the positives from the recent drama, you'll see that from little folks like me take great comfort from the fact that no matter the reputation, size or age of a user, if they take the piss, they will get the same 'rules' applied as anyone else.

The thing I find fascinating is why said users think those three attributes appear to give them a free pass and then fight and argue, never seeing nor admitting to any misdemeanour and later compounding things by throwing fake accusations and downright disgraceful and libellous bullshit at fair-minded people. It's just bizarre and a serious mental flaw on their part.

Anyway fuck 'em. You must be emotionally drained after your trip and being held up for so long by Covid, I just hope it exceeded expectations and things work out for you both.

Health and real-life first, fella. You have a great and trustable crew around you on Hive which gives you lots of freedom while they get on with it so enjoy the benefits of the last 6 years of hard graft.

What are the "rules" ?
"Anyway fuck'em"

'rules' in inverted commas.

Would you prefer ;

Loosely community agreed guidelines for etiquette on Hive?

Either way, consensus seems to be reached when multiple people voluntarily downvote the same account.

Best wishes to you and your friends on Blurt :-)

This is not rant for me, but you've summed up what this chain is about and even more. You said you've gotten a loan from people you've never met and pointed out that it's possible. Look at the people from Ukraine who had to flee and seek refugee status or those stuck in the war zone. Not many, if any knew them personally and I can say the chain saved their life by helping the way we could. Hive will always be here and those in need will always find help. Obviously there are those who are betting on this, trying to exploit the opportunity, but as you say, reputation is key here.

I got help reentry from some from Germany, we've never met and I got more than I could ask for. All thanks to Hive and good people. I returned the favor and the surprise and this case may not be the only one.

I feel sorry for those who can only see the few bucks you can make with a few abuses.

On the other hand, I hope you're getting ready for the big day 😎

Yah, you chosen an app we can use already?

I haven't chosen one as it has to be a mutual decision but have been testing two and MapMyWalk looks decent. I suppose you're on IOS so shoul give it a try and let me know what you think.

I use android, thought I remembered you did as well?

Yes, I'm also an android user.

So when are we starting? :D

There's a problem. I tested MapMyWalk today during a drive and got 48000 steps. This is bad as we have to turn it off and on when we're traveling, which sucks.

So I suppose we're left with the other app, if you don't have a better option 🤨

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=pedometer.steptracker.calorieburner.stepcounter

Otherwise I'm ready when you are 🙂 Let me know when we can start.

It's quite absurd.

It is something that continues to exist over the years, and I personally believe that it will never cease to exist.

But anyways.

It's amazing how much I identified myself reading this post. I am a user who has previously been involved in endless problems and bad decisions despite having participated in important projects by that time (Utopian-io, Oracle-D, SteemPress, etc) and I still managed to ruin all that reputation I already had. I even remember when I had created my chess project and it had been a success, but due to fatigue I decided to abandon ship (and noticing that my account was being used was even worse, but I ignored it completely until I decided to come back).

I don't mean that all those things that happened before should be completely ignored, it's okay to look into someone's past to get a little sense of what they are like and what to expect from them. But I feel that it should never be a determinant to really judge what a person is like or if they can really be trusted. And I think I've learned this throughout this year since I've been back here.

From the moment I came back some people let me know that a warm welcome was going to be impossible for me, so I had to try my hardest. I started writing daily, commenting everywhere, created a new account and started from scratch knowing that my entire reputation and name was blacklisted in many places and communities, but I still tried. I think it took a couple of months until I felt that the community started to trust me again, and the feeling was really satisfying: That's why I tried three times harder.

I'm sure there were many days where I made more than 30 comments, welcomed new users and also took care of inviting many people to the community (some didn't do things as I expected, but there are others who continue to this day and I feel very proud of them). If someone really wanted to be forgiven by the community, I feel they should try even harder.

After a year I feel that there are still a lot of things I need to polish, if I want to be a much more successful content creator I need to keep working hard, but one thing I've completely learned is to appreciate the amount of friendships I've made here. I'm not a very influential user, in fact I'm powering down (for personal reasons) and that's not good, and it's not like my votes are worth a lot either. But the important thing is the people I have met here and all the benefits that each individual represents for my life.

Outside of the rewards of Hive, outside of what I earn in posts and my work as curator, each friendship made on Hive can benefit you in many other ways. I've met people who have taught me how to take photos, users who have taught me how to generate money by playing video games or investing in other things, people who simply encourage you with personal advice. All these friendships are what really make Hive something much bigger than just the economic aspect of the blockchain.

Even you are a person who has helped me financially before and has given me advice about the chain and stuff. All the rewards thanks to that reputation I have earned over 1 year is not intrinsically associated with the rewards I generate in my post. It is demonstrated thanks to users like you and all those users who benefit your life with other contributions that indirectly can serve you to be a better person (this sounds pretty generic XD), and also to improve your quality of life (there are people who have given me financial advice, lol).

I missed the point from the main topic of your post, but it was perfect for a venting comment XD sry

Whereas I was reading this blog, I could not prevent myself from thinking about those authors thinking they are entitled to upvotes. Reactions to downvotes and this probably go together, somehow.

I've seen that happen many time, second chances, hell even third chances. Some may even just start fresh accounts in shame and do better there, who knows (if they're anon).

I am always in favour of second chances, and even sometimes third chances. I like to think it is better to try to educate people to behave better (this can also help them in their offline life). However, I agree that sometimes it becomes hopeless.

At least we can say that we tried (let's be positive)...

I've always valued my reputation on Hive.

We are (at least) two here :-)

Apologies also from the lack of posting, my vacation after some health treatments […]

I hope you enjoyed your vacation, and it is nice to see your health is getting better (I assume this is related to the problems you mentioned in a blog a while ago). I haven’t taken any decent break since almost a year, and COVID exhausted me in many many ways. I am looking forward to a true offline time close to a lake and with a lot of fresh air. This may eventually happen... soonish...

Cheers!

If there's one important lesson I learned from my favorite book and author, it revolves around reputation.

And he had used his book to teach me to guard my reputation with my life. Why? He explained that reputation is the cornerstone of power.

And Friedrich Nietzsche had said that it's easier to cope with a bad conscience than with a bad reputation.

Thus, everyone ought to understand that reputation precedes them, and because it does, it inspires respect too.

What is your favorite book and author? Sounds interesting!

Lol. He is an interesting personality in my opinion and I have a feeling you have heard of him before.

He is no other person than Robert Greene and the favorite book of mine he authored is The 48 Laws of Power

I have heard of him, but never read anything from him xD

A lot of newer user's can't see the wider picture and when one high rep account complain about getting downvotes from lots of accounts, they immediately think he's being bullied and silenced. Said user has been throwing tantrums for way too long and if Hive truly can silence a person he'd disappeared ages ago. That's what these newer users don't understand.

Same said user thinks he has his little circle of loyal friends supporting him, but all they're doing are egging him along, which tbh is very smart of them. Why get my own hands dirty when there's a fool who wants to stick his head out to be the hero and fight a lost cause for everyone. I bet you they're all munching their popcorn as they have nothing to lose

Calls the platform Satanic yet doesn't mind using the rewards generated to cash out. Dunno if it's just a cultural thing but from where I am from, you don't accept what you think is dirty money from what you perceive as a dirty hand to use the money to your benefit to preserve your honor. He has none of that and still scraping cents off what's left staked to his account and scrape cents off another platform.

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I don’t mind rants like this, gives people some important things to think about.

I’ll be coming up on my 6th year too in a couple of months and I feel I’ve been here much longer as well.

One thing I have always been grateful for and do not take advantage of is my reputation. When you show up at different places, contribute, get involved, are helpful to others this adds on to your reputation and people are more likely to trust you and value your opinion. I agree that an offense is less forgiving for someone who’s been here longer compared to a newer person that might have just needed some guidance. Those of us who have been here longer are also watched closer and more is expected from us because of our longevity and rep.

I am one who believes in giving second chances so there have been several over the years that have made mistakes that I was happy to see forgiven and given another chance to do better. Okay now I’m just ranting.

Anyway, I was happy to hear you were on vacation and I hope you’re on the road to continued better health so you and your girlfriend can enjoy many more times together. Yea, get some pics together for us to see :D

Second chances are a very lovely human thing to do. Everyone deserves a second chance :)

Hello @acidyo, long time since we talked 😊 It's great to see you posting again! I don't know if you remember me, but you were the one who introduce me to Hive in the first place which I'm most grateful for 🙏

In this regard, I'm extremelly fortunate because as a newbie I had the chance to have amazing guides like yourself and other fellow hivers which I connected in the meanwhile. I think a proper guidance is really key in order to avoid the major abuses within Hive like plagiarism and low quality content and I believe there's already great support in this. Maybe sometimes people just don't want to see it or learn. They prefer to try an easy way, trying to outsmart everyone...

It's everyone and everything else that's wrong, not them.

I think this is probably an emotional response triggered by guilt and an inflated ego. The lashing out and refusing to reflect about one's actions is really a shame... In reallity it just keeps them from progressing here on Hive and growing as a person.

I didn't know you had a health situation... I hope you're having a good recovery process and I'm looking forward to see you on the active once again. 😊

!LUV

Hey! Of course I remember, keep in mind all my curation is manual on this account as I voted a post of you recently so I do remember you, haha.

Are you still playing GU, btw? Hoping things turn around a bit there again soon as it's been looking a bit bleak lately.

Thanks, recovering nicely and enjoying my first vacation after all these 6 years on Hive so made it a bit of a longer one but still keeping my voting power low curating from the phone hah. Looking forward to be back soon and refreshed!

Hehehe of course! I see you have been supporting me this whole time with your upvotes which I trully appreciate 🙏🙏🙏. It really is an honour and I hope I can continue to maintain the quality of my posts! I think I've been progressing steadily... So far I haven't made any major errors (I think 😆). At least I try to be as attentive as possible to make sure I follow all the rules 😊.

Are you still playing GU, btw? Hoping things turn around a bit there again soon as it's been looking a bit bleak lately.

Yes! I've been playing on and off, mostly on weekends for the pack rewards 😊 Now with the MJ extention I've been losing a lot of games... I need to update my decks since there are some new cool mechanics to the game but I've been losing to laziness as well 🤣! I think GU is really progressing in terms of game development 👌👌👌 I'm excited for the daily quests to come out as well! Do you know if there's any ETA for that part?

Good to know you're recovering nicely 😁! WOW, 6 years is a lot of time, you definitely deserve a long vacation period 🤗 Enjoy your time and I'll be here whenever you've refreshed completely 😍

Reputation is a joke on Hive, look at our top reputation users are:

  • hbd.funder (92.69)
  • haejin (85.53)
  • chbartist (83.60)
  • taskmaster4450 (83.25)
  • tarazkp (83.23)
  • steemcleaners (83.01)
  • burnpost (82.82)
  • oflyhigh (82.72)
  • ocd (82.28)
  • jrcornel (81.96)
  • gooddream (81.86)
  • kingscrown (81.85)
  • acidyo (81.52)

almost half of those are the worst behaving users on Hive.

damn I'm still behind kc

yeah, their reputation which i was talking about here sucks xD

Can you mark which ones are bad? Just curious.

I'm sure you can figure it out.

LOL. I think you have an over-inflated sense intimacy between us. I have no idea what you're thinking or your opinions. That's why I was asking.

But you stalk me all the time surely you do.

@themarkymark could you please mark which ones (in your opinion) are the worst behaving users on Hive.

Hi, I would really wish to have set up clear stated behavior guidelines by you big fishes and a kind of official posting as a comment to every newbies first posting or during the sign up process.
I'm here for 9 months now, but still not sure about all those unspoken rules.

The community likes no selfvotes.. uh, okay, didnt know, so as a newbie back than stopped selfvotes, anyway better to give my 0,001 cent ;-) at that time to someone else. But while growing and learning, I see a lot of big fishes making selfvotes, no not after 3 days or so, they klick their publish button and the next they do is vote.

Where starts abuse with an alt account? Only to have one, or just the moment you vote your alt?

What exactly is the definition of a voting circle? Upvoting your friends all the time, who doesnt do this?

Just a few examples, as I told would be great to get this explained.
So please sit down together and write those guidelines down, maybe this will help newbies to find their way without making mistakes.

As Hive is only a mirror of our society, there will always be black sheep doing plagarism or abusing downvotes, but for those who want to behave well it could be helpful.

Although I didnt know about, I'm happy you got well and could meet your love :-)

This actually brings up a good point, I've been on hive less time than you have, but I managed to find written guides. #hivelearners is a great place to start. Most of what I've noticed though is plagiarism and trolling. Pretty obvious when you think about it right? Posting other peoples writings, images, and over all content can get you in trouble. But there should be some kind of in depth guide given to users when they create their hive account. To me, the biggest barrier to entry is figuring everything out.

I had the luck to get explanations from the german speaking communities but still some unspoaken rules remain to find out yourself

You could always apply the golden rule: Treat others like you'd like yourself to be treated.

Yea thats SO true and also shows how important it is to treat ourselfs well :-)

what are they?

I guess each step we grow we will find them out. Am not the right person to answer this now.

I believe most newbies are alright, the wrongs they can do are some things that should be common sense such as no plagiarism or spinning articles. The issue becomes a lot stronger if you're someone who has been earning consistently over a long period of time and then start to repost, re-use images on posts that are about the images, generate lazy posts such as "guess how much this apple costs here" while still claiming those autovotes you're on or vote-trades, etc. Many seem to think that once you become "popular" enough and get a lot of autovotes, same as the way I get them for instance, that it means you can now do what you want and that you're untouchable. It would be similar for instance if I just made very short posts asking random questions, barely replying to my audience and accepting all post rewards (i.e. not forfeiting most of them or part like I usually do if I want to post something I know won't require a lot of effort from my side). This was one of the examples of a user that recently got caught doing, started getting downvotes and instead of apologizing and trying harder he went on the offensive calling others names, making up ridiculous stories and now just spamming that everyone should leave hive and join another shit network cause he burned his bridge here forever.

If you're a normal person you're most likely going to be okay even if you do a mistake eventually. :P

Oh wasnt aware of this thank you for explaining. Think I found the account. Always wondering how quick someone can turn old so called friends into enemies and vasting time and energy just to keep being right.

"If you're a normal person you're most likely going to be okay even if you do a mistake eventually. :P" - Agree 100% 😊

Hello! I think reputation is something we should value not only here at Hive but in our life in general. At least that's what I was taught and that's what I try to do wherever I go. Take care of it.

Some things can't be tolerated. Plagiarism, content farming, and so on.

However there are always some grey areas, as in life not everything is black and white, and that is where many doubts arise. What are those rules that are often not explicit somewhere? I've been with Hive for less than a year but after a bit of a slow start, mostly my fault, I think I've done well so far but I still have a lot to learn.

But even more so, as we advance and gain reputation, so does our responsibility to be fair and deserving of reward. Also to set an example to newcomers we meet from other platforms. And at this point what you have written makes a lot of sense to me. Because it's not just about earning a reputation, which after all is a number, it's about that number reflecting our behavior and value to Hive.

I'm sorry you had some health issues but glad to know that you already recovered, and congrats on meeting your Love, my best wishes to you.

I just don't really understand it.

I don't get it either man and when I don't know something I become annoyed then spend hours upon hours trying to do me some book learnin to the point of being a self taught expert on everything I now know. So I did just that and finally came to the absolute most logical of all reasons:

Because fucktarded.

ha!

But on a serious note. That particular behavior you speak of is really nothing new. Many shoplifters share the same qualities when caught. Here there's blockchain evidence, there they have video evidence. They'll see themselves on video stealing, still deny it, kick, scream, fight, act like victims, and so on. They'll go from most likely only getting a slap on the wrist, "Don't come back!" to piling on assault charges, resisting, fleeing, assaulting cops. Totally wreck themselves.

I did that job for a brief period of my life. Hated it. I remember my first week. The other two months I do my best to forget.

lol shoplifters getting caught was a great comparison, i like that.

Check out Gas Station Encounters on Youtube.

What I find interesting while still drawing comparisons is how, contrary to what the crazies will try to FORCE people to believe by claiming nobody will ever want to come here if all people do is downvote instances of abuse (of course they don't call it abuse since they're forever wired to be in denial even with fucking proof in front of them), folks actually enjoy seeing shit bags get caught.

We should do compilation videos with narrators reading out loud the important parts of when they get caught and what they do next. that's how we'll get mass adoption to hive.

I've always felt tempted to do a satirical series based on some of these characters I've stumbled into over the years. Did a couple posts back in the day shedding light on some of the most absurd vote buyers. Those days I had a mountain of material to pick from. Things slowly started getting better after all that went away, though some were pissed but for some strange reason the robots they paid to support them didn't have their back. Whodathunkit eh? "I buy my friends and look how successful I've become!" LOL!

I remember busting one of the biggest art frauds this platform ever saw. Dude spent hundreds on his votes and got WRECKED. Then I felt bad and like you said here in the post people get second chances so I wrote a post and used my platform to shed some positive light on his existence. I wanted to see him thrive taking the honest approach because I sensed it was possible. I was dead wrong though. I left for a brief period. Upon arrival I saw his work "trending" again with paid votes. What he was doing was one of the oldest art scams around where one takes a high quality image, then crops out tiny sections, blows them up, and presents these tiny pieces of one image as "art", while claiming to be an artist. Of course it was disapointing to see. Especially when at the time there were several real artists struggling, being forced to buy votes in order to remain 'competitive', or simply giving up. New folks here these days don't even know how fucking ridiculous it was here in those days and don't even realize how much progress was made taking out the trash in order to provide the genuine creators the platform they deserve. So many of us fought so goddamn hard for that.

But in my mind the next step after that, once there was some actual quality people and products out on display, was to then focus on attracting and onboarding your basic content consumers. So they could consume the posts, play the games, spend the money, have the fun, and also get paid to do that. Then when the ridiculous voting window thing was removed and consumers wouldn't be penalized for liking something, I thought, "Now's the time!" Was really excited to get that ball rolling. Even my last post there in January, I'm talking about it.

Consumers aren't attracted to these types posting drivel just to get rewards though. From a business standpoint, it's so wasteful. But more and more, slowly but surely, I'm seeing people working for that audience that just so happens to pay them, rather than just the tokens.

Those are the keepers.

Those were some good videos lol, looked the channel up on youtube.

Yeah dude! I actually plan to make a trip to that location. Those sandwiches sound irresistible! I think it's in Ohio. I should probably check before I go hey?

I am glad to see that you are back on the Hive!!
Its a great sapce and has chamged mylife in a lot of ways as well, we are a family fo sorts, heading into the future together! :D

Good to have you back! And soon to posting.. would be great to see pictures of your vacation and most especially your beautiful girlfriend of course.

True that Hive can do a lot for people regardless and that depends on your reputation built in here. Not necessary the number on the profile but more of the contribution and connections made on Hive.

My mouth was left wide open when I saw you had taken a loan of 5 figures on hive without any collateral. Truely there is no where else this can be done.

Talking about people who loose their reputation from trying to play smart on tha system and comes back fighting the system, I have seen that happen here on Hive and I thought about this too.

They attack the network that has up until then rewarded them more than any other website would ever have 99% of the time.

Wow, such a fantastic piece of writing. Thank you for bringing all of this to light. There are several that I had not even noticed. Sir, thank you for sharing this. I hope you recover completely and return to us with more wonderful stuff. Hive needs more of you to help improve things on the blockchain. Sir @acidyo, I wish you a good weekend as well.

hey there I'm glad you are feeling better and sometimes we just need to post just to vent off some things that we need to say, but I'm glad you are better and will look forward to seeing you do more posts in the future

I've actually been noticing downvotes on some posts but the first thing that comes to my mind sometimes when I see any is that "That writer may have done something wrong" it may not always the Writer's fault but I really don't see why any would hit the downvote button for hitting sake.

Being anonymous is cool, I've also noticed some really nice ones and they are doing great on Hive. That doesn't remove the fact that just as we have toxic people among the good people, some anonymous are a threat kinda.

I've always knew my reputation is like my whole Hive life here so I guard it very well and hopefully, I'll go through still guarding it safely. I'm surprised to read from you that my reputation could earn me more money 😅 I should grow fast already (Slow and steadily though).

It's good to know you're fine now and you finally met with your girlfriend once again, we can't wait to have you fully back.

Rebloggable rant by the way 😅😂

many downvotes that have been flying around lately don't seem to be about the author, especially if they are small ones. If you see big downvotes then it is most likely about the author.

Everything is relative and percentages on hive, be here long enough and consistent and you may eventually see bigger rewards and growth but I've also seen people who earn less grow over time as others have left and sold out, slow and steady gets you far too!

Oh I've just understood something new today, thanks for the clarification.

Slow and steady wins the race indeed, I'll just continue 🙂

You can see a report on the biggest downvoters and most downvoted users here:
https://hivealive.io/untrending

Wow, I'm checking it out immediately thanks

Thanks man for such an open-hearted post. I loved it and read it in a single breath!
I totally see what you say. I started writing on other platforms a couple of years ago but the ecosystem I found here is crazy. I love it. It gives you opportunity for meritocracy and to get visibility to audience once you prove that you deserve it.

I really like it and I am now struggling to understand how to get eventually even more involved here, to increase traction!

Nice to to read you again. Welcome back. I hope the health treatment was successful and positive!

Some people just can't seem to realise that when they are being a flakey drama queen abusing the network and the people on it that their behaviour says far more about them and the type of person they are than anything else.

And some of them are just unhinged!

a flakey drama queen

unhinged

I was grapplingto find words to describe it, but I think you've nailed it. MOmentary hissy fits and emotional reactions are human and fine, but when they hit unhinged drama queen, then we have a problem. Sigh.

I know. Everyone understands anger and upset but when that translates into abuse of regular users and thinly veiled threats, or even not so thinly veiled it looks bad.

The drama of the socials!

The drama of the socials!

Do you think they'll make period drama series from this next century? 🤪

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Can you imagine!!

Well just to comment a very very narrow point in this. I had forgotten your health-stuff, so I'm glad if you're doing better.

Unless if you're not actually better and you're this guy who has to grab the table when sitting:

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But great if you're coming back from your posting pause. Just the same time as I am. When will people notice we're the same person?

Good thing you left the yo out of your username else they would have figured us out!

Now we know what the owner of a stooped dog looks like)
In fact, the dog looks cute even when she is stooped) she is a cutie. What can you say about the owner. lol

With your reputation you can ensure that you can continue be rewarded if you ever need to make some extra money.

Sheesh! every time you mention "reputation" in this post, I just hope you're not referring to that useless nutty number next to your username on your blog. ;o)

From what I have witnessed over the years, people are embarrassed of being caught and go on the defensive instead of calmly thinking about it and reacting after things cool down.

I'm not saying that everyone is, by any means, but the majority of my experience with it is embarrassment.

Now the sad thing is that they usually aren't embarrassed about their actions but the fact that they got caught. I think it's hard to take when you think you are smarter than everyone and then you see that most people saw you coming a mile away.

I agree with u, but have mostly seen just some seemingly random downvotes for no reason at all. The downvoter even explains it as 'nothing personal', but I doubt the hiver who posted would agree..

I am glad the downvote system does work for its intended purpose at times. it does help hive overall.

Yeah those seem to be some unique ones about the curators more than the authors.

Thank you for your post today, @acidyo, and Ben and I are so glad to hear that your health treatments have ended.
It's exciting to see you posting again, and the points you've made today are - without a doubt - excellent. It's common sense, right?
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Problem is, common sense ain't common...sorry to break it to you, Loki!

With the upheavals we've all seen this week, it's gratifying to be a part of this platform.

Ben & Annabelle

Negative comments or dislikes make you more eager to provide the best and beware by respecting laws because its benefits from collective profit
6 years of work and learning experience it's a big achievement 👍

Honestly, the Hive community has to be one of, if not, the best online communities there is. And I think a big reason behind this is how it "self governs" itself.

Really some of you guys walked. Long in the Hive and still working for the development of the blockchain. It need huge patience to stay for a long time avtively in anything!

Reading this post as a newbie that I am, I can't but once again see the beauty in hive and appreciate the immense work that is happening in the community.

@acidyo you've made a strong point that has instilled a lot of caution in me. Thank you.

Your article is a great starting point for great reflection. Today the reputation is a great value, the examples you have brought are perfect, thanks to correct attitudes, following the rules, respecting others you earn reputation, this applies everywhere, a good reputation has an enormous value. Thanks for this thoughtful idea.

@tipu curate

Even though I never expressed my opinion on here about these things, it doesn't mean that I don't observe. But unfortunately I don't believe that kind of people will dedicate some minutes from their lives to read this because they might as well use those minutes to break other people fun on here or just downvote posts for no reason. I think we all know what they will pick to do.

@world-travel-pro - I will tag him so he can complain about his 'previous employer' again.

I dont mind the guy doing his blurt promotion script. Just reminds me I'm living rent free inside his head and I get closer to HiveBuzz get the most number of replies badge on my post faster if he does it. He just declared himself as an intentional spammer at this point. You cant make a fool of them if they are doing it better themselves.

aybe also start sharing some pictures of my travels, vacation and my beautiful girlfriend who I finally got to meet after a very, very long, long distance relationship thanks to covid restrictions

Now that made me smile. How lovely! Looking forward to some positive vibes.

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Hive is a great place to spread ideas impartially without prejudice. It also encourages users to post and helps him to bring ideas and images from other sources with mentioning their source while publishing and this is not found on any other site.

wanker

Actually this is the one thing I'm not anymore ;D

Absolutely agree with acidyo take downvotes as motivation to improve others.
Why not ask trusted community members what's gone wrong with them and correct it.

Not yet any downvotes on this post. I think the option to really opt out and take the HDB route to APR is helping this cause a lot.

Whoever doesn't feel like he can be a creative part of a community, has a second choice now. A choice with less fame, but more APR on already acquired stakes.

Welcome back!

The reason I have started downvoting you is little by little to get you under (0), so your toxic words can no longer be seen. You did this yourself and as a HIVE stakeholder I don't particularly want you badmouthing the chain with your toxicity.

If you would go away and stay on Blurt then that would be best for all. You don't see me posting crap about Blurt on Blurt do you?

You're literally a nobody that just spams around attempting to get some last bit of attention. You expected people to hold your hand and see to it that you post better content instead of posting farmy bullshit and votetrading, in your own words? Someone like you should've known better having been here for that long, but I assume the only thing you cared about was maximizing rewards earned on the least amount of effort rather than learning how Hive actually works considering you thought downvotes meant to remove you from an immutable blockchain and then throwing a hissy fit cause you realized you weren't going to be earning rewards for a while on posts you thought you were trying harder because for all the times you did earn rewards on literal garbage posts you just couldn't accept not earning for a while on better posts. Piss off you piece of human garbage.