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RE: Why wouldn't someone join Hive?

in OCD4 years ago

You should know that @tarazkp is one of the Steem/Hive influencers actually successful at onboarding dozens of people. Most of those people have fallen to the wayside but I recall many of them being active users and contributors until the end of 2018. He's probably got the best track record of all active onboarders that I know personally.

By the way, you really added nothing to the conversation. You threw a generic accusation of Hive inluencers "not getting" what outsiders think while not elaborating at all what you think it is that they're oblivious of.

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By the way, you really added nothing to the conversation.

My take on what he is adding is don't be so cruel as to introduce your friends to a pyramid scheme known as HIVE, but you probably feel the same about my input.

So you think he thinks Hive is a pyramid scheme?

That's something novel because he really didn't say that. Thanks for your thoughts. It might as well be that that is what he meant but only he can tell us.

Introducing your friends to create content on Hive does not make them participants in a pyramid scheme where earlier participants benefit off the back of later entrants like in a pyramid scheme. All content creators and curators are winners on Hive.

Where does the value come from then? As I've said multiple times, it comes from the altcoin speculator crowd that uses HIVE as speculative instrument to gain more BTC, which in itself is a speculative vehicle.

When you start earning rewards of one kind or another from the Hive reward pool, it's like becoming a tax authority, except that you're not pointing a gun at anybody to coerce them to pay you anything. There are 200 million liquid HIVE on exchanges where traders trade it back and forth for BTC in an attempt at growing their positions. The price volatility is so large as in several orders of magnitude that the traders do not mind the pesky 8% annual inflation Hive currently has. They voluntarily allow the likes of you and I to get our cut from of the Hive inflation pool as a reward for our social media activities. This is how Hive gains access to the initial capital required to grow this thing into the back bone of Web 3.0

Hive is not a pyramid scheme and nobody is getting shafted. The speculative games revolving around cryptocurrencies are like a casino. We the content creators and curators on Hive are like members of a native American tribe on whose lands the casino operates and who get a piece of the action.

If your content was sitting on the HIVE blockchain adding value to the blockchain and the funds in your forked account were removed do you not think that is shafting someone? That is one example of the HIVE scam beginnings.

Have another drink of KoolAid my friend. It's so sweet and sticky.

If the V.22.2 Cabal sat around all day voting on each others' posts in a circle jerky fashion do you think that would draw users to the scam? When you sell your STEEM and buy HIVE where do you think that HIVE came from other than the trickle from folks like me? It comes from the token grinding V.22.2 Cabal who shattered the community and created HIVE by fearing the loss of their position on the pyramid.

Ah, I see. The pyramid scheme idea is held by you.

If your content was sitting on the HIVE blockchain adding value to the blockchain and the funds in your forked account were removed do you not think that is shafting someone? That is one example of the HIVE scam beginnings.

You may disagree with the airdrop not going to everybody but this is not an example of a pyramid scheme. It is in the very nature of public blockchains that anyone can fork them. If you object to your content ending up on Steem forks, then you should never have posted it to Steem.

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If the V.22.2 Cabal sat around all day voting on each others' posts in a circle jerky fashion do you think that would draw users to the scam?

Ah, the circle jerk accusation again. You can go to Facebook and see how much you can make there.

When you sell your STEEM and buy HIVE where do you think that HIVE came from other than the trickle from folks like me? It comes from the token grinding V.22.2 Cabal who shattered the community and created HIVE by fearing the loss of their position on the pyramid.

I think you should be on mainstream social media platforms where the value flows are hidden from you. You will not need to feel bad about the top-heavy distributions existing on those platforms because you won't see them. @tarazkp, this is what I'm talking about when I say that the rewards are too conspicuous on the front ends.

I think you should be on mainstream social media platforms where the value flows are hidden from you.

Let me guess a Biden supporter? The less of two evils? Think waiting for @openorchard and shifting DPoS exposure to PoW in the meantime is the way to go, myself. Just speaking up for the up and coming suckers to HIVE not established users as yourself.

Let me guess a Biden supporter?

I'm not American. I don't really care about American politics. All I know is that Biden is a Democrat and that's it.

The less of two evils? Think waiting for @openorchard and shifting DPoS exposure to PoW in the meantime is the way to go, myself. Just speaking up for the up and coming suckers to HIVE not established users as yourself.

I've never belonged to any influential circle jerks on Hive or Steem. All the larger votes I've got have come from curation projects who vote on posts from a very large large number of users, @ocdb that had 3000 users on a quality-controlled whitelist when it acted as a distribution bot selling guaranteed-profit votes before EIP was introduced, a few whales who've launched initiatives and voted on basically anyone who has taken part.

I'm a compulsive content creator. I will always be creating content somewhere and I've been at it for almost 30 years or a couple years shy of the creation of the World Wide Web itself. I can honestly say that for an amateur like myself, Steem was and Hive is the best possible option on the entire Internet.

In fact, if someone opts for staying on a mainstream platform because they can't stand the thought other people earning more on Hive, then they will most likely get exactly as much as they deserve.

I can honestly say that for an amateur like myself, Steem was and Hive is the best possible option on the entire Internet.

So long as you participate with eyes wide open, then if it works for you fine. Having followed open source since before the World Wide Web itself, held crypto since 2011-ish and watched this shit show from just about its beginnings our opinions on where our time and resources would be best spent just differ is all. ✌️😎

You poor little slave. You are so gullible, that you continue to drink his sales pitch coolaid, even after admitting in your own comment that it is failing. You still give him credit for on-boarding users who have now gone. once they are gone, the credit ends right there. Let me repeat, when the users leave, the credit stops there. You don't continue to give someone credit, after the failure to retain them on the platform. Do you even realise that you just re-affirmed my actual point? Even after the main reason why you replied to me was because you claimed I didn't make any points? You poor poor thing, obviuosly not - because you are blinded by the sales pitch. But you will continue to return to drink from the coolaid trough, for a couple of cents worth of upvotes on a comment. That's the whole plan here. To get people like you to continuously return to their posts for "engagement" and drive all the traffic to the posts of the very very few on here. It's called marketing manipulation. lmao, so easy to fool the sheeple on here.

A stream of insults does not an argument make. :)

For me, Hive works much better than any other social media that I've tried in about 30 years. You seem to post quite often, too, and seem to be well rewarded. It seems that engagement that others get but you don't is what you are envious of because your posts do not seem to be getting too much of that.

When it comes to the quality of interaction on Hive, you are exceptional in my personal experience. If you want better engagement in your blog, I suggest you work on your attitude and communication skills. :)

Unfortunately, You have missed every single opportunity to understand my original comment, and you ignored everything that was in any way detrimental to the point of views of the author for obvious reasons that I already outlined lol. There was no stream of continual insults, it's was just sarcasm as away to get a point across, combined with what you call strong criticism and it was not just directed at this author, as some people in this thread have claimed.

Look at the first reply to my original comment. It was complimentary, so obviously some people agree with what I had to say - but you and a few others completely dismiss that. Pay attention, because as I said, if the smaller/average users are just brushed aside as insignificant and merely used as a way to further the interests of a few, then the failure will be sooner rather than later. But they don't want to hear that, because they don't want others to hear it too. Why do you think that his partner in crime (I will no longer mention them by their usernames), arrived on the scene out of nowhere, and not only downvoted an opinion with force and no reason given - but he actually insulted me - and he did it from a memo. Why do you think he did that? So I could not have the right of reply. That is called Authoritarianism. You should now realise why these people are part of the problem. Not the whole problem, but part of it. Those types of actions, are what drive out content creators.

Here is the other point that you are missed. You seem to think that I am complaining about my blog and the results of my efforts. I'm obviously not complaining about that. I've done just fine, because I blog about things that I enjoy writing about. I have also found the right circle of users to interact with and share content with....same goes with the community I was part of. So, I'm not complaining for myself, I was merely making a statement that there is blindness involved with the reasons on why the entire platform is failing as a whole.

If you want better engagement in your blog, I suggest you work on your attitude and communication skills. :)

Thanks for the advice. I definitely have zero communication skills, because I'm not allowed to. That's why - the silencer gets applied pretty quickly to those who don't adhere to the rules of the anointed "kings and Queens" of the platform. You know that, which is why you take the easy road and just "play ball". playing right into the hands of it all, just all the rest who do the same. That's why I feel sorry for you all. You are just happy to succumb to that BS, without speaking up.

They are the same people who continuously tell everyone that they are entitled to nothing, but reap all the rewards amongst themselves. Not only that, but some of them have the audacity to write posts asking for large sums of money for doing discord work, and spending time doing things, off the actual platform haha. C'mon, please!

I will end this conversation by saying that I am now leaving the platform. So guess what? Mission accomplished. You won't dare to tell them they lack communication skill now will you? You see what the problem is now? You all adhere to their authoritarianism and drink their coolaid, without questioning it in any way, while you have no problem in responding to me with an honest opinion of how I act, you will never do that to the "big fish" on here. You give these guys way too much credit, and all they really did was get to this platform before everyone else. That's why and how they succeeded. When you get in early, you create all the circles and networks early. It's simple math. Something that gets lost on the people who are desperate to please the "influencers" at any cost.

So far the substance of your criticism towards Hive has been that there's too much circle jerking (large stakeholders giving each other large upvotes in a circle) going on.

I'm not part of any circle jerks with large accounts and I've never been. Yet, I'm quite happy with my earnings because I know I couldn't have earned anywhere near as much on them on any other platform. If I've been able to do it on less than stellar content the kind couldn't have earned anything anywhere else, so can a lot of other people. What's great about this place is that it's perfectly good for the very same activities as any other social media platform while offering the possibility to earn something.

There is a group of people who mined a lot of Steem Power in the beginning many of whom became consensus witnesses. You seem to be saying that I should be horribly envious of these people and harbor a great deal of resentment towards them simply because their early adopter advantage is considerable.

The circle jerk criticism, while not completely unfounded, is not fair since there are curation projects with very large amounts of Hive Power that constantly reward very large numbers of content creators for good content. But you will not find a platform anywhere where the distribution of rewards is considerably less top-heavy than on Hive. YouTube, for example, has made its founders extremely wealthy and only the very top of the content creators there earn much of anything.

If you have the technical skills or know people who do, then I suggest you create a new fork of Hive and airdrop the tokens to whoever you want. Then you can try and get the token listed by major exchanges. That's how you can build a platform tailored to your own liking. Just do it!

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