Comes easily, goes passively

in #hive-17457819 days ago

It is only Thursday and there is one day left, but I am pretty broken mentally and physically. While work has been hectic with all of the team days, the work to catch up on and a training session to split the week in two, there has also been the ongoing renovations. I haven't had to do much heavy lifting this week, but as it is the entrance getting done and we only have one way in, we have been staying at in-law's (me sometimes at home), which hasn't been so comfortable and no one has had enough sleep. Not the end of the world of course, but it has made everything a little more frustrating. I have barely seen Smallsteps in a few days.

Someone I was speaking to today was saying that they don't really have any thoughts, they don't seem to think much at all and when they try, their mind is a blank. This person is intelligent and highly educated, so it isn't about that - they said that it just seems that when they are doing nothing, they don't seem to have their own thoughts enter their mind.

I was wondering how common this is, as for me, it is quite the opposite, I don't stop thinking and the only way to get my mind clear is to think until I am done for the day. This is definitely one of the reason I write in the way I do, as it allows me to investigate my thoughts quite deeply, even though I only post a fraction of them.


When I was language training I would play an easy game with students to help activate passive vocabulary that lays latent and unused. I would give them the first few letters of a word, for example "pre" and they would have a timed minute to write as many down as they could. I would give time updates and make ticking noises to add pressure closer to the end and I could see them "panic" trying to squeeze words out. What people would find is that their brain would start off fast, but as it started to run out of words or be put under pressure, the brain starts to stretch and search words that might not be relevant at all. Even though a player might only get 10 words on the paper, they would have run through dozens, as well as all kinds of other thoughts. There were many points of learning and training in the exercise that most did not recognize.


Writing is like this for me, each sentence isn't just a collected thought, it is a handful of thoughts that have been held, considered and rejected or approved that are then distilled into a single point. While you read one sentence, there might be ten tangents of thoughts that I could have gone down, but for some reason or other, I chose the one I did. I find the process fascinating, as I essentially have little control over the thoughts I have and perhaps I don't have much control over what i end up choosing either. It is much like the game I would play with my clients - fun.

Thoughts are funny things in general and while we mostly do tend to think, we don't think too much about how we think or maybe more importantly, why we think. Why have thoughts if we aren't going to acknowledge them, filter them, use them? Why learn so much through a lifetime, spend so much time acquiring knowledge if we are not applying what we have learned in some way?

I think that part of the problem is that a lot of what we learn is completely useless, more used as an entertainment or distraction of the mind, rather than to have any practical knowledge. Back in the past, I think there was probably more energy or time spent on learning what was necessary to provide a living for ourselves, to get better at what we do, not just increase what we know.

I think that not so long ago we would find our sense of self and develop our level of status through what we do and how we do it, but now it is more about what we can consume. People seem to identify themselves with what they can buy, not what they are able to accomplish. Which came first, the advertisement or the purchase? Perhaps is is a supply and demand "chicken or the egg" scenario.

Whatever it is, I think that while we have a lot of access to information, we do not seem willing to use what we learn to add value to the world, we use it to consume a little more. Perhaps it has always been the way - we just have more opportunity now. We think we are technologically advanced because we were the first to buy the latest gadget or, we think that we are making a difference because we tweeted with some social hashtag. We might be making a difference of course, but it might not be what we think.

We become complacent on our own activity, thinking something was done without us actually doing anything at all. This means that things can be done by those who have the gumption and proactivity to do them - and there is always someone willing to do what it takes to bend the world to their own needs.

You see how thoughts work? If not paying attention they tend to get away from where they began and end up in unintended places - and when our thoughts are led by what we consume and we no longer have the habit of observing our thoughts and filtering them to accept and reject, we can be led down all kinds of thought pathways and, into activities that we might not have otherwise done. In some way, it is somewhat like entrapment, priming our mind and nudging our thoughts until the narrative we hold forces us to move - is it a voluntary act?

The process of creation is thought, word, action and like the game of passive vocabulary activation I would play, once we give a focal point to think on, a narrative is created to complete the word and once that word is available in the mind, it is far easier to act upon. Controlling the words injected into the vocabulary is to control the narrative, which is to control the behavior. The algorithms that control what we consume are passing through without our thought, but it doesn't mean they don't make us think.

Taraz
[ Gen1: Hive ]

Sort:  

Fascinating post. I would say that most folks thought are not their own and they generally don't think for themselves. I think its a bad trend but one thats been around since forever. I think one of the biggest hamstrings to society is having our thoughts lead, social engineering, and the inability to freethink, discern objectively and a society built these days nearly entirely on emotion.

As for what we learn being useful or not. I think there is a trite intellectualness to most of the world. Being up on sports stats and figures, memes, and low level popular trivia doesn't really help you understand the world on anything more than a superficial level.

I rabidly study and follow advanced aerospace. I know all sorts of seemingly useless facts about that subject. One could argue i too am guilty of my above complaint. I see it differently. The facts are a side effect of what im really doing. Studying the human forefront of science, physics, technology and engineering achievement. Via that i learn an in depth understanding of the underpinnings of the world around me. The substrate that make things what they are. The information i learn from studying what goes bump in the night and the intellectual process i go through to understand whats behind it sheds a light in the dark and helps me more deeply appreciate the world around me.

As for overthinking. Boy am i guilty of that. When analyzing a situation i almost always flesh out every possibility from great to horrific. I would then focus on the bad and drive myself insane with anxiety. It's something i just recently have learned to get under control and not steer my personality. Overthinking and the anxiety created from it was a contributing factor to losing the two most import things in my entire life. It was a very hard
lesson learned.

and a society built these days nearly entirely on emotion.

untempered emotion. I think we can't help the emotional reactions we have, but we have been encouraged not to filter it or investigate whether it is justified to show. We are told to show our emotion, no matter the cost or irrelevance to conditions.

there is a practicality to thought and a connectedness to other aspects of life that can compound to solve complex issues. Knowing the stats of the 1963 world series teams is useless.

I intentionally think in the negative, as I am generally a positive person and I need the balance to stop me "dreaming" too much. The health of the process is personality dependent, something that we can't choose, but as you say, we can learn to control. We live in a world that profits from us losing emotional control - what we buy and who we scream at are emotional decisions that drive business models.

!ENGAGE 20

Thank you for your engagement on this post, you have recieved ENGAGE tokens.

I like to write in a freeflow, meaning I don't think beforehand about what I will be typing but just allow it to flow as I type. I find it's a really honest way of purging whats bottled up inside. if someones never tried it it's an interesting exercise. othertimes i have an idea of what i want to construct but generally don't think about the composition beforehand. of course I may re read it and adjust and add to things if its a more comprehensive piece.

Touching on another thing. I see a lot of people judging people for maybe what they do for a job or maybe what they earn. I've never liked how people do that as for me how someone behaves, carries themselves and interacts with others is a far better way of summing up a persons attributes.

As for thoughts my mind is like a pinball machine 🤣

I find it's a really honest way of purging whats bottled up inside.

I agree and, I think it also feels more genuine for the audience too - unfiltered thought not designed to manipulate.

Touching on another thing. I see a lot of people judging people for maybe what they do for a job or maybe what they earn. I've never liked how people do that as for me how someone behaves, carries themselves and interacts with others is a far better way of summing up a persons attributes.

This is something I have looked a lot into over the years from my own perspectives. I tend to treat people based on them, not their material status. True status is important and it can't be bought through goods, although many people seem to bow to the low level material versions.

I once got a funny comment from someone as we were talking about life; "I like that you talk to me as me, the human." He was the Prime Minister. I don't care about someone's title or what they earn or drive - personality does matter though - as is how they treat the people around them.

!ENGAGE 20

Thank you for your engagement on this post, you have recieved ENGAGE tokens.

I had a similar tired feeling the past weeks, because of overwork and deadlines. But I managed to remedy that with taking leave for the past few Fridays now and just chilling at home, doing some housework every now and then.

Can't imagine not having many thoughts on a regular basis. My mind is usually overflowing with thoughts. What I like to do to clear my mind is go on random weekend trips to the interior and just enjoy nature and the outdoors. Sitting beside a creek on that trip with some rum in my glass also helps in that case.

When I write I like to let my thoughts flow and then try to immediately type whatever comes to my mind. I feel like the piece is more natural and personal that way and makes for some interesting content sometimes.

I think that part of the problem is that a lot of what we learn is completely useless

There is a systematic problem with how most of us are brought up and the environment and cultures we live in. This is why self-education is so important. And also sharing knowledge with others.

I am jealous. I was meant to take leave this month too as I have so many hours in my bank, but didn't have a chance.

Sitting beside a creek on that trip with some rum in my glass also helps in that case.

You sound like an Australian. Bundaberg Rum would be the rum of choice. :)

This is why self-education is so important. And also sharing knowledge with others.

I agree. We seem encouraged to learn what we are told and then stop learning once we aren't forced anymore - in my opinion, after school is when learning should start.

I'm actually considering taking every Friday off until the end of the year, as I've build up a lot of extra hours as well. Even though we've been working from home for the most part of the last 6 months, the stress of the virus situation is probably also getting to me. So work is fully to blame.

Lol, I have an Australian friend who said they like outdoors and drinking, so you may be on to something. I'm from Suriname. We have clear black water creeks further into our rain-forest-like interior, where people have vacation houses and take trips on their time of to blow of steam and be one with nature.

I usually did that with a fairly large group of friends, because that's more fun, but then corona came.

!ENGAGE 20

Thank you for your engagement on this post, you have recieved ENGAGE tokens.

I can't imagine no thoughts. Literally, I can not conceive of that. I spend some time every morning with my first cup of coffee willing my brain to zero or near zero, just to reset.

It's why I can't seem to write 'stream of conciseness' very often because my stream is interrupted by other streams and bridges and random things. When I write I try to convey a thought, and generally it takes several other thoughts until one I can actually use comes along. I don't go blank, I go jumbled.

I have often said that I have ideas like popping corn. One and a pause and then another, then two, then a pause and soon I have more thoughts than I can sort. If I'm working on something I'll have a notebook and write notes (generally a word or two) before they are lost in the volume, or even worse, I eat them or feed them to the dog.

Can I be led by a clever algorithm? Of course I can. But I will also guarantee that I fool them, too. The problem with the algorithm is that it has no consideration. It doesn't care that I fool it, it just keeps mindlessly trying to lead me.

I can't imagine it either - which is why I think that perhaps people who don't think much might not have much of an imagination.

For me, the stream of consciousness is the way I write, as I seem to be able to "reject" thoughts for later or that do not fit the current stream.

Can I be led by a clever algorithm? Of course I can. But I will also guarantee that I fool them, too. The problem with the algorithm is that it has no consideration. It doesn't care that I fool it, it just keeps mindlessly trying to lead me.

I think this is a misconception, as they profile every little act - including random acts and users who do not fit the average user profiles. It is incredible how granular they get and, how much they can target what people think is random behavior.

It is interesting and bloody scary.

But they are not perfect. This summer I read a book by a friend because I promised her a review. It is a romance. I get PAGES of Romance possibilities from Amazon. Not my genre at all.

But, you might not be paying attention to the inserts around that genre that you are interested in. While you see the magicians trick in one area, there is sleight of hand in another.

Early on, Target realized that targeting too obviously didn't work, so they surrounded what they were aiming to sell with stuff that they wouldn't. We think we see behind the curtain, without realizing there are 1000 layers.

Oh, yeah. I get it. And in truth, when we are talking about genres of books or music I'm fine with it.

I'm not fine with the subtle political messaging at all.

!ENGAGE 20

Thank you for your engagement on this post, you have recieved ENGAGE tokens.

Having no thoughts when doing nothing is so alien and bizarre to me, one of the things I struggle to imagine XD the complete inability to empty my head no matter what was one of my major and epic failures when someone was explaining how to meditate to me (the other epic failure was my inability to sit still, I can't unless I'm drawing or gaming, sitting still doing literal nothing is nigh on impossible for me XD).

and then I always have the accusations/statements that I overthink everything

Your colleague doesn't even think about any news or tv shows or games or anything that they like, or their family or hobbies or anything? o_O

I think they might be an alien - it is really weird.

I think the "empty your mind" is a misconception of meditation or, only one type of path to take. I reckon some people are better off thinking more :)

I have watched and at times it really does seem that there is no thought in there - they are intelligent when focusing, but once there is no "need" to think, they don't. No imagination?

On the one hand I kind of want to ask other people about their thoughts or lackthereof now, but on the other I'm not the greatest of conversationalists and I have no idea whatsoever how I would go about approaching that kind of subject, even though my friends are generally used to me springing semi-random questions at them from seemingly out of the blue XD

I feel like the emptying of the mind thing came about because people generally have a lot of thoughts that causes stress and getting rid of them (at least temporarily) helps alleviate the stress. These days it seems to be more accepted that some people reach that meditative state differently (but of course with people being people the way they do it is the one true right way and the people that are achieving it slightly differently well sure they're kind of there but they aren't doing it quite right and thus will never achieve proper nirvana ;D)

!ENGAGE 20

Thank you for your engagement on this post, you have recieved ENGAGE tokens.

While you read one sentence, there might be ten tangents of thoughts that I could have gone down, but for some reason or other, I chose the one I did. I find the process fascinating, as I essentially have little control over the thoughts I have and perhaps I don't have much control over what i end up choosing either.

I have the hunch that if you try to express and write your thoughts (the avalanche of them) in a secondary language (for instance, Funnish or Spanglish) more often. You will probably be able to give your mind a break and feel a lil bit less burned and broken mentally and physically at the end of the day.

Perhaps in this way you could keep the reins of your thoughts with greater control and prevent them from running wild and diverting the course and destination to which you previously wanted to arrive. And therefore, at the end be able to feel more relaxed without having to have fighted so much against that wild colt along the way. Hahahaha };)

Posted Using LeoFinance Beta

I don't think I want to focus my thoughts, until I have a need to focus them. Who knows what I will miss if I put the blinders on my thought freedom?

Well, the other recommendation I could give you. It is that you come to live for a while here in Venezuela and thus enjoy with all of us the constant blackouts, cuts and interruptions of electricity and internet services almost daily.

Perhaps it's just this way that after the obligatory short session of curses, insults and blatant vulgarity out of your foul mouth thrown left and right after these often cute incidents. You finally will have the opportunity to think less, try to sleep more and rest more often so that you don't feel mentally and physically so devastated at the end of the day so frequently. Hey! I'm sure it would be of great benefit to your health live here in our gorgeous country for a while. :)

Posted Using LeoFinance Beta

Perhaps it would be good to live in Venezuela for a time - to get used to the future of everywhere else.

Oh! do not have the slightest doubt it would be so my friend. Curiously, Vzla is one of the pioneer countries whose noble people already have had the privilege and opportunity for long time to see, feel and live closely in our own flesh all that dystopian future that is approaching like a whirlwind to soon affect all countries worldwide in a similar way.

Posted Using LeoFinance Beta

!ENGAGE 20

Thank you for your engagement on this post, you have recieved ENGAGE tokens.

I love the way you write, following the flow. I can't imagine not having thoughts randomly running through my mind even without trying to consciously summon them. Laying my head on the pillow at night is always a challenge to shut off the thoughts long enough to fall asleep. When I write a fiction piece I usually have NO IDEA where it is headed after the opening. But one scene feeds the next and the story materializes.

Also, I love that word game you mentioned. What a great way to invoke your mind to summon up new words that have been lying dormant!

When I write a fiction piece I usually have NO IDEA where it is headed after the opening. But one scene feeds the next and the story materializes.

This is a pretty cool process, isn't it? Do you ever surprise yourself as to where a story ends up or the way tone changes?

Sometimes I start off negative and end up feeling quite positive, sometimes (more rarely) it goes the other way. What I like about the way the human mind works is, we can even surprise ourselves.

The word game is a lot of fun and I think that one my daughter is reading, I will play versions of it with her. She likes language a lot. She sings her own songs and makes up little poems as she does jigsaw puzzles. I think it helps her focus or gets her brain working - it is cute.

I do surprise myself quite often when the story is finished. One of the favorite contests I like to enter is the FreeWriteHouse 3 prompt version where you start a story with the first prompt, then go to the second prompt to continue, then find out the 3rd prompt to finish.

My husband and I actually play a version of the word game when we are on a long drive, it really passes the miles!

The older I get the more I empathise with the muddle-headed professor archetype.
I've been thinking about crypto for 15 hours; and forgot to eat, sleep or put on pants.

Lost in thought is fine if it leads to insight that incites healthy activity - pants are only needed by culture and culture changes - if enough don't wear pants, wearing them becomes unnecessary, other than for utility - like weather. :D

Sometimes I think, that I overthing things too much... But then again the fact that I think about ir overthinking is already overthinking?

Is there such a thing as overthinking if it leads to better results, or is it only overthinking when the cost of thought is less than the gain of application?

I guess when the result is good, we think positive about everything

Over the last few years, I have been spending more time on process than result. Limited success as the focus on results seem to be strong and many people will judge based on the result, even though it might be driven mostly by luck.

Congratulations @tarazkp! You received a personal badge!

You powered-up at least 100 HP on Hive Power Up Day! This entitles you to a level 3 badge
Participate in the next Power Up Day and try to power-up more HIVE to get a bigger Power-Bee.
May the Hive Power be with you!

You can view your badges on your board and compare yourself to others in the Ranking

Do not miss the last post from @hivebuzz:

Hive Power Up Day - Introducing the Power Up Helper!

Controlling one's thoughts is one of the greatest ability. It starts gradually and usually it happens in silence. If you can sit in silence and be free of thoughts then you will experience a sort of bliss. It is one of the hardest thing to do. Being free of thoughts.