Censorship on the internet does exist. It's specially bad on YouTube and Facebook.
"who has plans to fix it?" Find someone who agrees with you and team up with them until you can find a suitable solution. I would like to build such a portal but it's out of my scope of skills and budget. However, I might run into someone who can do this eventually, so why not keep in touch with me?
Actually, people seem to have a big misunderstanding of what “downvotes” are designed for.
This is a reward based platform and downvotes are a way to regulate those rewards, using ones stake.
Trolling is a valid reason to receive a downvote, so is disagreement with rewards received. Downvotes can also be used as a way to help fight plagiarism as well as fight reward “farming.” Each can use theirs the way they see fit and by downvoting something, it’s returning those rewards to the pool to be distributed to everyone else.
Unfortunately they are not used responsibly by most and then others seem to rage when they receive one.. so yeah, things could be better.
There is also this mute button that works to not “see” people, as well as not visiting their blog. Plus, the upcoming communities feature should help with this quite a bit.
Haha. Let's take a good look at this logic so it is clear why it is stupid:
You're interpreting the list in a way that "if you want to be an internet troll, then you should downvote and that is acceptable."
So let's replace this reason with something else from the list. "If you want to be a plagiarizer, then you should downvote and that is acceptable." See? That's stupid.
Now let me guess: "but this is how I see it." No, it's selfish abuse. By logic, taking a personal interpretation and turning it into "the only thing that is true" defaults to being an asshole. If you enforce it, it's tyranny. That's all there is to it.
"But it's my stake and I can be a tyrant in any way I want!" Well, that's a whole different story. And yes. We understand you can.
I’m not even sure who you are talking to, the English words up there that I wrote state that trolling was a valid reason to receive a downvote or flag.
As in, if you are an internet troll.. someone is fully within their rights (per the whole idea behind the downvote feature) to use their downvotes (and stake) on you.
It seems you and @klevn both took that as me saying it meant trolling is what you should do? 🤔 I’d apologize for any confusion, but I don’t see how there was any.
Well you can't drive him away either in a system like this, so just avoid him or go back to systems where admins do have ultimate control on who gets seen or not.
What should be done? Just mute him and if he still flags you, that's his right as a stake holder in this decentralized system. Your content will still be visible which is better than in traditional platforms...
nah, think i'll leave. tired of watching these losers rip everyone off.
i just found another worthless account (in terms of quality of content) with 200,000 steem (he/she downvoted me for bernie).. there are far to many of these.. and what is worse non-content creators can easily 'reproduce' by upvote each other.
been watching this drama for a year now.
nothing has been done, in fact they removed proof of brain....
i don't see this site lasting much longer with such leadership.
There's always "bad actors" or ones that don't fit in with your own world view, it seems you're wishing for a traditional system where they can be easily removed or silenced. There's Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and Medium for that. But of course, there's zero rewards for posting there, so staying here, while even being flagged is a better outcome in a sense since at least here there's no one who can censor you.
I'd just create a new account and stay away from the drama, it isn't worth it. This place isn't perfect, but it's better than the traditional alternatives and that's why I'm using it.
If you see some huge buffed guy punching everyone who gets close in the real life, you probably wouldn't want to interact with him in any way, the same seems to apply here where moderators/site owners aren't herding and protecting the users.
Takes under a second and almost no effort to see your message. If you call that being censored, okay. If you feel abused, just create a new account and don't interact with bernie. It's that simple. System like this enables all kinds of people.
But it is not hidden and that's still important. Sure, it isn't the ideal solution, but it's still important nonetheless. It's a tool and like all tools, it can be abused. I agree with you to an extent, just not with all of it.
Exactly.
Inexactly
I'm seeing your comment. That's all there is to it. Arguing without logic is the same as trolling...
its not actually its perception that matters its what manipulators thrive on hence slander through impostor accounts spite spam flagging etc
That's easily fixable by not focusing on the steemit website itself, which is not the only gateway into the blockchain's content.
who has plans to fix ? none
i refer to steemit as it is the main portal
you could say censorship does not exist on the internet as content isn't really deleted and can be found if you have the know how
Censorship on the internet does exist. It's specially bad on YouTube and Facebook.
"who has plans to fix it?" Find someone who agrees with you and team up with them until you can find a suitable solution. I would like to build such a portal but it's out of my scope of skills and budget. However, I might run into someone who can do this eventually, so why not keep in touch with me?
if it doesn't matter if comments are 'visible', why would people flag on non-monetary disagreement post?
flags are saying this is trash, non-contributing comment.. off topic...
seems as i follow bernie around all i see is flagged shit complaining about his flagging shit...
and as someone that has felt his wrath.. i know it is being done.
the community is not better for his presence.
Actually, people seem to have a big misunderstanding of what “downvotes” are designed for.
This is a reward based platform and downvotes are a way to regulate those rewards, using ones stake.
Trolling is a valid reason to receive a downvote, so is disagreement with rewards received. Downvotes can also be used as a way to help fight plagiarism as well as fight reward “farming.” Each can use theirs the way they see fit and by downvoting something, it’s returning those rewards to the pool to be distributed to everyone else.
Unfortunately they are not used responsibly by most and then others seem to rage when they receive one.. so yeah, things could be better.
There is also this mute button that works to not “see” people, as well as not visiting their blog. Plus, the upcoming communities feature should help with this quite a bit.
Haha. Let's take a good look at this logic so it is clear why it is stupid:
You're interpreting the list in a way that "if you want to be an internet troll, then you should downvote and that is acceptable."
So let's replace this reason with something else from the list. "If you want to be a plagiarizer, then you should downvote and that is acceptable." See? That's stupid.
Now let me guess: "but this is how I see it." No, it's selfish abuse. By logic, taking a personal interpretation and turning it into "the only thing that is true" defaults to being an asshole. If you enforce it, it's tyranny. That's all there is to it.
"But it's my stake and I can be a tyrant in any way I want!" Well, that's a whole different story. And yes. We understand you can.
I’m not even sure who you are talking to, the English words up there that I wrote state that trolling was a valid reason to receive a downvote or flag.
As in, if you are an internet troll.. someone is fully within their rights (per the whole idea behind the downvote feature) to use their downvotes (and stake) on you.
It seems you and @klevn both took that as me saying it meant trolling is what you should do? 🤔 I’d apologize for any confusion, but I don’t see how there was any.
I understand you now and I apologize. I must say it did seem like you were stating the opposite.
Fair enough, it may be due to my rambling style of writing. In that case, I apologize for the confusion 🙂
I changed the wording a bit to help reflect what I was trying to say more clearly.
trolling is not a valid use for it.
seems to be very clearly saying to flag trolls.. not be a troll.
Well you can't drive him away either in a system like this, so just avoid him or go back to systems where admins do have ultimate control on who gets seen or not.
the amazing number of people chased away by this guy..
something should be done.
or else we are saying...
what he says is law.
because he makes it impossible for anyone to disagree.
What should be done? Just mute him and if he still flags you, that's his right as a stake holder in this decentralized system. Your content will still be visible which is better than in traditional platforms...
nah, think i'll leave. tired of watching these losers rip everyone off.
i just found another worthless account (in terms of quality of content) with 200,000 steem (he/she downvoted me for bernie).. there are far to many of these.. and what is worse non-content creators can easily 'reproduce' by upvote each other.
been watching this drama for a year now.
nothing has been done, in fact they removed proof of brain....
i don't see this site lasting much longer with such leadership.
There's always "bad actors" or ones that don't fit in with your own world view, it seems you're wishing for a traditional system where they can be easily removed or silenced. There's Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and Medium for that. But of course, there's zero rewards for posting there, so staying here, while even being flagged is a better outcome in a sense since at least here there's no one who can censor you.
I'd just create a new account and stay away from the drama, it isn't worth it. This place isn't perfect, but it's better than the traditional alternatives and that's why I'm using it.
If you see some huge buffed guy punching everyone who gets close in the real life, you probably wouldn't want to interact with him in any way, the same seems to apply here where moderators/site owners aren't herding and protecting the users.
seems pretty obvious...
pay to play..
or build a bot farm.
or make no money.
content matters not.
if you have money..
you get more.
content matters not.
no friend.. this place is dead.
without proof of brain.
i signed up with that in the contract.
time i cashed out as they no longer agree with my principles.
yes but not without an action different to every other one clearly in view
also
to an outsider observer who believes STEEM works as it is marketed would think a grayed out comment was some sort of abuse
Takes under a second and almost no effort to see your message. If you call that being censored, okay. If you feel abused, just create a new account and don't interact with bernie. It's that simple. System like this enables all kinds of people.
if you have to take an action to reveal it is not equally public as the rest
But it is not hidden and that's still important. Sure, it isn't the ideal solution, but it's still important nonetheless. It's a tool and like all tools, it can be abused. I agree with you to an extent, just not with all of it.
Slightly less, yes, we can agree there. But I wouldn't call it censorship either.
You could also easily build a frontend that treats all messages the same, flagged or not.